The game is once more live 30/60 and it is the very next hand. I am in the big blind and behold the beaut that is K2o and see a flop 5 ways. Villain is the same player from the last hand. I suppose I should note that he is not a terrible player, but tends to miss value in spots. He is actually capable of bluffing, but not so much you'd notice usually.

5 ways, 5 small bets:

AK3r

SB checks, I check, two more players check, and villain bets. SB folds and I call.


3.5 big bets, HU

AK3-5 no flush possible

Well look at that. I picked up some outs. At this point it's worth noting that villain cannot have AK, Aces, or Kings. He could have a set of 3s, and A3 would have to be suited. K3s is probably also out of the question.

He bets, I tank and call, assuming my 9 outs are all pristine and check/raisable on the river.

AK3-5-3

I had not considered this possibility. I check, he bets, and I call, hoping to chop.

Maybe I'm terrible, but I'd probably check-raise this flop when it gets folded to villain and SB folds if he is at all a button bet monkey (betting broadways, any pair, etc.).

I really don't like a flop cr here, Captain.

Jesse, on this river, a player who misses value is not going to bet a K to scoop the chop. You can c/f.

Online this hand is well played, live its probably a river fold. CRing flop is terribad.

wouldn't you say that a guy who misses value on the river would probably check back the rivers that give you 2pair or a straight, since both of these rivers put 4 to a straight on board, and given that you are playing from the BB?

i would def. sexy the king though.

Actually of all my outs, I'd be most likely to simply donk of death the king, as my hand as played looks exactly like I've got second pair and am just hoping it's good. If I made the straight I'd definitely check/raise, and two pair I think as well. I mean, is he really giving me something like 32?

Maybe the players at 30/60 are just slightly better than the players at 20/40 and this is cutting into your edge. I would tend to move down to the game/level that I had the best results at in the past.


On this flop in a live mid-stakes game you could potentially fold. If the two players behind you are passive then it is really a close decision.

Is c/r'ing the flop really that bad? Heads-up, 3-way, or maybe even 4-way I could see c/c'ing down because the pot is small and inducing bluffs (or just folding in a small pot) is more valuable than protecting your hand or folding a better K. But 5-way where it's checked all the way to the button? This is assuming he bets any pair or any two broadways:

Board: Ac Kd 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.700% 44.87% 02.83% 99504 6276.00 { Kc2d }
Hand 1: 52.300% 49.47% 02.83% 109704 6276.00 { 99-22, ATs-A2s, KJs-K4s, QTs+, JTs, 53s, 43s, ATo-A4o, KJo-K8o, QTo+, JTo }

If we can fold out the other 2 players who could have gutshots, a K or a 3, this would be great. It also would be hard for the button to continue on the turn with a bad K.

good points, but the parlay is just too big imo. the other 3 players will be c/raising an A here a lot (or maybe playing it passively), so i don't like your chances of getting HU, and even IF you do get HU, you still need button not to have an ace, or be willing to fold a better K (the K part is likely enough, but overall your chances kind of suck).

I would actually like the move more with fewer opponents.

Why aren't we folding this flop?

I'd have no problem with that.

I would have just bet the flop. It is easier to figure out if someone actually has an ace that way on dry boards like this. If you get raised you can call the flop and c/f the turn if you dont pick up any outs. A raise probably means an ace because the board is dry unless the person is getting really creative. If you get called by one player continuing and bet/folding the turn (assuming you don't pick up any outs) can occasionally get a better king and gutshot draws with JT QJ QT that kind of stuff to fold.

RORY!!!? where the hell did you come from?

I think the flop texture is the reason CRing is awful. People will be making a mistake to chase their gutshot, pot is tiny, only way bad things can really happen to you is by making the pot larger when you have a crappy hand like this. My progression of spots like this in my LHE life is like: newb: fold this flop because button could have ace, middle: raise this flop because button could have nothing, now: call this flop because pot is tiny.

River is villain dependent, probably a fold as described although I guess I usually call if I made it this far.
Flop c/r is terrible.
I think you'd have to donk if you hit the river either way.

+1

I'm not sure someone calling the flop with a gutshot is bad, getting 7:1 (sometimes 8:1) with good relative position to the flop bettor. The times he can't get 2+ BB on the big streets (button has air or something very weak) are frequently going to be the times he gets a free card.

Anyway, not a big deal, thanks for explaining the flop c/c. This is probably why I shouldn't post strat. Actually, this is probably why I should post strat...

If you are known to C/R on big streets then trying to steal on the flop with a bet and shutting down if called may be a good strategy. The pot is small, not many 30 players limop with Ace, other Ks should be folding and g/s-s have insufficient odds.

ATo is rolled.

I'm probably worse than terrible. But at least I made "Medium" on the DD list of progression.

I c/r the flop because button could have anything including an A. I do it to win the pot then and there (which sometimes happens) and to get calls of two bets when I actually have two pair+ and am c/r'ing the flop. Most of the guys I play with at FW and the Borgata 20/40 will call one with a gutshot and fold to two on this flop.

And when I check the river after betting the turn, the guy who has trouble betting for value will likely check behind and save me half a bet when I am behind. If he raises the turn with some crazy two pair, I get to fold and save half a bet as well.