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Originally Posted by armor32
This is the guy who was educating a fish at the table about how he can/should improve his poker skills by watching deuces cracked videos (including names of specific videos/coaches he thought were better) etc' etc'
You sound like this d'bag that was playing the 2/3 NL the other day at the same casino (The Bike), and was all on the case of me and a friend of mine because we were discussing a hand that happened 20 minutes earlier - he was shouting "you're making the table harder to play at! giving away free poker advice!! this makes the bad players better!!!!".
WOW LOL WTF OMG
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Originally Posted by La Peste
meh you can hand the fish the secrets of hold em if you solved in completely. they still wouldn't get any better.
+100,000
No doubt - if someone WANTS to improve their game, they will. A little strat chat at the table isn't going change how they play.
And the fuzzy haired PLO host above is about the last guy in the world I'll take poker advice from. I mean, he's a fun gut at the table, but as an example, at a recent tournament, he talked his entire table into going all in preflop BLIND - he won (and then got a 2 round penalty, LOL)... but despite having a 40K stack because of his stunt, he had donked nearly all of it away within 4 levels. (I have no doubt he's a strong PLO player though).
So a second point here is if you even HEAR strat at the table, is it even good for you?
And more than likely, if a poor player hears something, they are bound to take it out of context, and misuse the information anyway.
The actual REAL worst reason to talk start at the table is that a very GOOD player will then have insight into how you think. If there is a downside to table strat talk, this is it.
I like math and I like to talk odds and hand probabilities - ever ready to whip out my iPhone and Poker Cruncher to quell odds disputes.
Does the make the "table harder to play at"?? NO. Does it affect my image? Maybe - and do I care if people think I'm a math guy? No - if they think they can exploit me because I play a certain way based on my propensity for math, they are generally wrong.
Is it a disadvantage to have other players at the table think you are "better" than they are? Well first of all, nearly all never will - only a GOOD player can recognize if he is up against stiff competition. A BAD player already thinks he's the best at the table, and that is part of why they are BAD.
When you talk math/strat at the table, the typical bad player is thinking
"I don't need to know that math crap! I'm better at this game than they are!!"
But again is it a disadvantage for strong players to think you might have skills? Not so much - it is on the OTHER HAND an advantage for YOU to KNOW your table image and how you are perceived at the table.
For instance, if you know that you are perceived as a "tight rocky math guy" you can exploit that by working your air game more often - of if people consider you to be a thinking player that can laydown hands, you may be able to induce more bluffs.
So AFAIC, talk strat all you want - the one think I DO agree with is
*never ever* TELL a bad player that they are playing badly. On the other hand if a player were to ask me a question (genuinely) I'm more than happy to give them a real answer - will this make them a batter player? Maybe - but consider the level that if I'm generous with knowledge with this guy in a friendly way, I'll end up with a better read on HIM, and he may be more apt to softplay me in certain spots.