Both these spots are distinctly unfun. In both cases you are overrepping your hand, and in both cases they don't care, but in neither case is it proper to b/f or r/f the turn, given your chances to improve + the likelihood that you have the best hand already. In both cases you seem to be forced into "call the turn and decide" mode.
In Hand 2 I like a river c/f ui. Hand 1 is really close and player-dependent and would seem to be decided by how often BB is willing to b/3b turn with a bare 9 or worse because of your line. (He could have 9x of hearts.) At 15-1 by the river it's probably a call.
Originally Posted by ChuckFinley
Pretty amazing that this concept still alludes good players 6yrs later.
What you are alluding to eludes me.