Championship Hero Folding - Page 2 - Medium Stakes Poker Forum

lawdude · 06-11-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ChuckFinley

Hand 1 is pretty much a textbook wait 'till turn spot straight out of sshe (I think in the book we have TT on a similar board which is the same thing as A9 here). Pretty amazing that this concept still alludes good players 6yrs later.

I am not going to derail the thread with this, but SSHE is not the bible. It is a good book, but nothing more, and it gets this issue wrong in multiway pots.

Slide · 06-11-2012, 06:44 PM

Hand 2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by private joker

Why 3-bet the flop? He's unlikely to have a flush draw because he shut out the button (getting HU with a better hand is not what people with flush draws usually want to do; so it's more likely he has a made hand).

I would just call the flop and play WA/WB. If he has a pair he has 2-3 outs vs. you. If he has A2s or 99, you're crushed. Plus, you can't rep a 2 so he knows the best hand you can have is AA. And when you just call, he's going to put you on AK and value-own himself.

I think this is way too pessimistic. He can 33-66, 8x, and some other stuff we beat. A2s is like 1-2 combos and we can discount 99. I think its a question of either waiting for the turn to C/R or 3-betting the flop. I C/R the turn unless I think villain is FSDR a lot or will check back 66 when a Q rolls off on the turn.

**private joker** · 06-11-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Slide

Hand 2:

I think this is way too pessimistic. He can 33-66, 8x, and some other stuff we beat.

Of course he can. But those hands won't bet the turn.

jesse8888 · 06-11-2012, 07:12 PM

While I sorta agree that in hand 2 I am either way ahead or way behind (he likely has 3 or 2 outs, or I have 5 or 2) I just think I'm in the ahead part way way more often. This guy simply doesn't have JJ+, so what there are like 15 combos I'm way behind vs all the small pocket pairs and a billions 8s? I just feel like I have too much of an edge not to put in more action.

thesilverbail · 06-11-2012, 10:15 PM

hand 1:

If K/Q/J rolls up on the turn, and it goes bet-call are we still popping?

hand 2:

that tank pre-flop seems more like 99-JJ not sure whether to cap. I would still play it the same though and c/f river.

Leslieweizen · 06-12-2012, 05:54 AM

Both these spots are distinctly unfun. In both cases you are overrepping your hand, and in both cases they don't care, but in neither case is it proper to b/f or r/f the turn, given your chances to improve + the likelihood that you have the best hand already. In both cases you seem to be forced into "call the turn and decide" mode.

In Hand 2 I like a river c/f ui. Hand 1 is really close and player-dependent and would seem to be decided by how often BB is willing to b/3b turn with a bare 9 or worse because of your line. (He could have 9x of hearts.) At 15-1 by the river it's probably a call.

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Originally Posted by ChuckFinley

Pretty amazing that this concept still alludes good players 6yrs later.

What you are alluding to eludes me.

Chasqui · 06-12-2012, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChuckFinley

Hand 1 is pretty much a textbook wait 'till turn spot straight out of sshe (I think in the book we have TT on a similar board which is the same thing as A9 here). Pretty amazing that this concept still alludes good players 6yrs later.

Note that A9 has 150% more outs than TT against TT-KK and will many times reverse dominate naked Ax with this flop when an ace shows up.