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Cap flop or not Cap flop or not

12-10-2015 , 01:57 PM
FR live

A loose passive player open limps at MP (Limper). Folded to Hero at CO with Ac6c and Hero raises. BU folds. SB and BB call. Limper calls.

Flop: J93cc
SB checks, BB bet, Limper calls, and Hero call. SB raises. BB 3-bet and Limper calls again...Action to Hero.

If Hero caps Hero am pretty sure SB will not fold and both SB and BB (maybe not Limper) are experienced and play with Hero long enough to know Hero is having a flush draw and play accordingly.

How you would play in the situation?

The second question is Hero always raises flop with made hands to continue. Any concern of balancing against players better than BB, SB and Hero in the above scenario? Like slow playing some made sets and overpairs by calling flop?
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12-10-2015 , 01:59 PM
Four ways on the flop with that sort of action, you're in face up waiting for a club mode.
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12-10-2015 , 02:58 PM
Agree that capping here turns your hand face up so as played I would just call(especially since SB may cap it for anyhow).
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12-10-2015 , 02:58 PM
I'm putting a raise in on the flop the first time I have the opportunity.

As played, sure, cap it. It might (probably won't) get you a free card on the turn.

Also, we like all those bets getting in there with our equity vs. the field.
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12-10-2015 , 03:28 PM
a) It is a value raise; so
b) who gives a **** if our hand is face up; since
c) if we dont cap, they are going to bet the turn anyway; and for added flavor
d) people are morons so when a hand is face up they may check to you anyway.
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12-10-2015 , 04:28 PM
Just call now. Tarp em up good.
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12-10-2015 , 04:55 PM
Ya if I didn't raise the first time, I'm not raising the second time. Even mediocre players know that a backcap is polarized between draws and sets, so backcapping is a good way to kill your own action when you hit.
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12-10-2015 , 10:01 PM
Who cares.... Turn them face up cap cap cap.... Let them worry about you getting there
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12-11-2015 , 04:08 AM
IT"S A TARP!
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12-11-2015 , 04:43 AM
You can also have QT or T8s.
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12-11-2015 , 04:55 AM
there is some argument to be made for the fact that there are so many hand they will check to you if you get there (all floosh draws QT, T8, etc), that you should cap those hands (like A6cc, which you actually have) along with like...second pair
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12-11-2015 , 04:59 AM
Like he said. Cap it!
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12-12-2015 , 04:47 PM
balance is virtually meaningless 4 ways.
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12-12-2015 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
balance is virtually meaningless 4 ways.
TWSS
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12-13-2015 , 02:31 AM
i think i call with position.
btw wiht so much raising and cold calling, possible another flush draw is on as well, we might have less outs ...

By capping we do not get that much value when it is been already 3 bet.
i rather call and raised them when i hit on the big street when we have great position on both raisors.
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12-13-2015 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DesertCat
balance is virtually meaningless 4 ways.
Naw. I mean sure from a math POV it is but being known as tricksy has value.
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12-13-2015 , 03:47 PM
Not raising the first time is pretty awful
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12-13-2015 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Not raising the first time is pretty awful
Disagree.
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12-14-2015 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Not raising the first time is pretty awful
agree
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12-14-2015 , 01:30 AM
how can you call it awful when it may even be correct. Even if raising is slightly best (not saying it is) there's lots of reasons to call and no way can you call it awful
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12-14-2015 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
how can you call it awful when it may even be correct. Even if raising is slightly best (not saying it is) there's lots of reasons to call and no way can you call it awful
Disagree.
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12-14-2015 , 11:36 AM
I raise flop also. Don't think it's that close. However if for some reason I did play as you did I don't cap flop.
Capping flop makes you a little money on flop. However I think it takes away from amount of money that can be made multi way on turn in position if you make your hand.
One small bet four ways with a draw. Or two big bets 3 or 4 ways on turn with nuts.
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12-14-2015 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
Disagree.
Why? Also what's your plan for rest of hand (assuming you don't get 3 bet) just free card turn?
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12-14-2015 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Also what's your plan for rest of hand (assuming you don't get 3 bet) just free card turn?
entirely read dependent
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12-14-2015 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
entirely read dependent
If in your opinion, not raising flop is a clear mistake, there should be a default play on turn, no ?
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