This. I'm curious is LA guy 3 bets every hand with a A, K, Q, or PP in it. It is possible that the best possible hand the villain has would be a pair of 4s and we just giggle as we call. If this guy is just going to 3 bet BVB with a huge number of hands, his non-3 bet makes this flop hard for him to hit. He might not even have a SD if he three bets every combo of 2 face cards.

Based on previous hands...

JT, T9, J9, A2-A9 (I suspect a 3 bet pre with bigger), any king and many queens?

I don't think its that bad, but in my last post "any king" obv doesn't include like KTs or better at a minimum.

Any 4x?

I have no idea.

this is the RIO i was talking about. blindly deciding ace high is the nuts in bvb or in bb vs btn steal has never worked for me, maybe others disagree.

i honestly think you have to consider villain's barreling tendencies and what he's putting you on when you call down.

why are you including Ax hands? if all you have to go on is the 997 hand, then i would be hesitant to include them, although i also wouldnt be too surprised to see them either. personally, i'd heavily discount ui Ax, keep the draws(discounted a tad)/MP/TP, and add a few combos of 4x... then i'd fold the flop...

According to Stove, you have 36 percent equity against a range of JT, T9, J9, A9-A2, K9-K2, Q9-Q6

agree. There its a good old thread somewhere on duecescracked (no way I find it) where DD discusses why KQx flop is a great on to attack with air

Basically, Jesse is saying his opponent is a nitty 3 bet BvB (so we can't remove many hands) and that the guy is extremely value driven on his flop raise. As online players, we are used to playing people who aren't nits and who know to attack this board -- DD's point is our world. However, even though he's labeled as LA Asian, shorthanded he's a passive nit. We've been raised on this board by a passive nit. How do we react? If this guy folds some 4's PF (again, we're used to many who fold 0% PF), he raises flopped pairs, and doesn't raise draws/bluffs on the flop, we've got a 3 outer a ton. The pot is small due to no 3 bet PF.

I think you have to consider exploiting this guy by not paying him off. I'm amazed I'm even saying fold a showdown hand here, but I should respect a pro's live read -- the guy has a pair a ton, and it is more likely than random to be K's or Q's. Once we boil down ranges, it is easy to figure out. Jesse, do you think you can break down a range that the villain doesn't 3 bet PF? Of that range, what does he raise on the flop? I suspect Jesse's answer will make this a tough fold, but a clear one.

I guess the other question is how many barrels this guy fires. Does he take one stab? Is he 3 barreling once he gets going? If we're showing down, the fact that he might bluff raise once and check back twice is pretty appealing.

i'm not firing my whole range on that flop texture vs that opponent
i'm ckc'ing flop with this hand, and it's very high up in my range. vs a bluff heavy player I'm basically never folding this hand in this spot.

my donk check range will ck/r ck/c and ck/f vs his actions. hands like A7ss ckc, hands like 98hh ckf, hands like KJ KT ckr (blockers and dont suffer if he takes a free card)

This board would be a mistake not to cbet. You've claimed a better range than his and your range is unlimited while his is capped by not three betting. KQ4r is an autobet. This board hits you harder than him. The money in the middle is yours often and you don't love giving free cards and deciding if to c/c down.

In addition, you need to think about optimality at this level and against this sort of opponent. Your range for anything you do bvb at this level should include some balance. So unless you check some hands that hit this flop, you shouldn't be checking hands that miss it. And I think it would be terrible to check hands that hit this flop. Ergo, you need to c-bet a balanced range.

Yeah I agree with the last two posts. This flop is a must bet. Opens up an ugly can of worms when you check.

assuming our opponent has a preflop 3betting range, our range is actually far enough ahead to cbet 100% of it on the flop. I agree now ^_^
ty for the last 3 posts, donk checking and checking back have been what i've been looking at for the last month or so. I think a 359r flop is a better spot to donk ckc As7s