Some numb nuts lumps utg, I raise AT in mp, the button calls, sb calls. Sb is s very good mix game player but he is too loose and does dumb **** like coldcall Jj in Holdem. He is on tilt and range is wide: I've called him down with ace high twice when he defended his blind and c/r flop. One time he had K5 and other 52, both gunshots that missed.

Flop is A96

I bet, only sb and utg call.

Turn is 6

I bet, sb c/r and utg insta flat.

I'm getting 11 to 1.

having a hard time putting sb on a hand that isn't a flush or trips and i'm also having a hard time giving utg a hand that our heart is live against. the player description of sb seems to match a huge percentage of the live poker tagfish player pool that tries to act pro by being splashy pre or on the flop but when they raise turn or river they literally always have it (just a feeling).

really depends on just how loose utg is. if utg is the type to vpip80% then i guess we gotta call it, but if utg is the 40/5 type then i think we have to fold. i just think SB is bladed here way too often and utg too often has something like KhTd or AsJh.

These were my thoughts exactly and I folded. Frankly I can't remember any specifics on utg

Where is mp relative to btn?
If I'm BTN-2 this is close; BTN-3 I fold pre

I was the lowjack 9 handed do button-3, and I'm never folding pre

Fold pre after a donk limps lmao just stay home if that's the case

Based on villains I call and eval river, with any luck it's an ace haha

Qft

Also river 6 could put us ahead of SB flush. Plus you can consider folding a river heart of UTG bets.

The whole purpose of calling is not to fold a heart river for one bet.

Folding pre is at worst somewhere between a very small mistake and a very very small mistake so if you have any reason to fold, like if someone is wrong on the internet and you need to make things right, let the hand go.

In reality there are games/times when you might benefit from a nit image, and other times when you might benefit from a lagtard image, and that's a far more important consideration than the 17 cents in EV you might make by playing this hand.

The question is what do you need besides the 2 ace outs. Randomly lucking into the pot in other ways that don't involve calling the river might be enough.

ATo is the worst hand I open BTN-3. I think having tight ranges in early positions is underrated. This means ATo is a marginal winner, where a lot of its value comes from stealing blinds immediately or from a cbet.

In this spot, we are also BTN-3, but with a limper before us with what is likely an above average but decapitated range. We have no steal equity, will face a bigger field, and still don't have great position. Limper sucks, but I'd want a read that the rest of the table sucks too, to make up enough postflop equity.

Well, if im drawing dead I should fold.

i don't get how there's still no official names for position on 2+2. i use, utg, utg+1, utg+2, lj, hj, co, btn. would be cool if something like this was in the welcome thread.

my default in the lj for opening is a9o, and i'd still raise a limper.

Because those names only work in an exactly 9-handed game.

Really the only standard that works is to use BU, BU-1, BU-2, etc, as a few have started doing, although it is awkward if you're not used to it.

BU-5 is way more awkward than saying 9 handed, UTG+1, even though it probably shouldn't be.

CO is a common enough position to warrant it's own name instead of btn-1. Same with HJ. After that, I'd call them Utg 6h, utg 7h, utg 8h... If opener is utg 8h, other early players can be denoted relative to opener. Eg utg 8h limps. One fold, hero raises next in with ATo

what are you talking about? if it's 8 handed, utg+1 is first to act. if it's 7 handed utg+2 is first to act. if it's 6max, you never say utg anything. it's simple as ****.

uhmmm i hope youre trolling

Yeah, there's not a single other person using the notation steve is saying is simple.

no i'm not trolling. if it's 5 handed do you say first to act is utg or hj? i think it's a lot easier to register hj than 5handed utg. just like it's easier to say utg+1 instead of 8handed utg. i mean, all the 6max positions have their own names, so no need to explain how many players there are. why can't fr?

What you are saying makes sense, but everyone says 5-handed UTG for hijack.

As the seats get further away from the button they are closer in value, which is why I think every 6-max seat has a name but not every FR seat.

The reason why it's confusing is that everyone has a different idea of how positions should be named. For example, most of California uses terms I find irrelevant and silly like "Lojack" and "Farjack." WTF do those even mean? They're not relative to the button or the blinds or anything for that matter. Just annoying and confusing. At least "Hijack" to me means something that relates to the button, "to hijack the button when the cutoff and button fold after I open raise."

Whether or not it's any less confusing is debatable, but this is what I use,

Button, Cutoff, Hijack, Middle Position, Under the Gun+2, Under the Gun+1, Under the Gun, Big Blind, Small Blind

Or

BTN, CO, HJ, MP, UTG2, UTG1, UTG, BB, SB

And my one letter shorthand I use for each position when texting a hand to a friend is,

D, C, H, M, 2, 1, U, B, S

I could get behind the "btn, btn-1, btn-2, etc" system.

I use "btn, co, hj, mp, ep, utg, superutg"