Agree w/ Dcifr. Preflop is all the more Lol if you're not willing to put in more action on this board.

to add another thing, if another good player is in the hand, i'd want at least another 1-2 players in before i put in 4 bets with 88. i've folded 88 in spots like that (the capper) and been fine with it. 99 though i draw that line lol so it's obviously close.

You managed to mess up every street congrats. Why would you not CR the flop? Turn is an easy 3 bet he has AK more often than anything else and if your image is silly enough it might be a 5 bet on the turn. The game plays aggro and these people are being nitty imo

DD, as someone who is basically a walking talking silly image, and who has for sure been four bet in this spot by villains with top two, it would still take a very special villain for me to want to ever five bet theturn.

I also think the way villain's range is probably distributed that a turn three bet is no where near a slam dunk, tho I haven't done the math on it.

If I take that line, isn't there a fair chance it's checked to button since he was the aggressor, then I check-raise and shut everyone out, including the bad player behind me? I'd think it's extremely likely I get more bets in by leading given that the flop was capped 4-ways.

I know preflop is bad, but I'm not convinced postflop is terrible. It's certainly not standard, but that's why I posted the hand. Though it sounds like from all the comments that I was seeing monsters on the big streets.

Just because we are ahead of his range does not make it a 3bet, and most certainly not a 5bet.

ICH9D huh? That strikes me as an atypically foolish comment from you, are you arguing that villain is gonna fold AK to a 3 bet? In this case I believe how we are doing against his range is precisely the thing to consider since his range is strong and never bluffing or folding, so its just a question of how many bets to put in.

UMTerp its an ace high dry flop, if they are continuing they are gonna do it for 2 cold anyway, this isn't like a spot where guys are gonna peel with QJ or something

Great 3bet pre. My advice: Don't be such a massive tiltbox.

No, that is not what I'm arguing. And yes, how we are doing against his range is precisely the thing to consider; you are correct in that. But just because we are ahead of his range does not make it a 3bet. We have to be sufficiently ahead because when we are behind we lose more bets than we win when we are ahead. The answer, I assume, lies in how often you think he will 4bet the turn with AK or cap 88. But simply saying "we are ahead of his range so raise" is not the way to look at these problems.

Everyone who has more experience in this game than I suggest his range is wider , thus 3bet is easy given we will have plenty more than 66%. ICH9D i agree that we need 66% in order to 3bet and not just more equity in general because of the fact that we will get 4bet some portion of the time.

Oh, alright, I hear you I guess. Assuming he calls down AK to a 3 bet and 4 bets with 88 then yeah we can't just be happy being 51% vs his range

yea not sure if everybody caught it yet but i obv did lots of miscounting lol. need 2:1 vs. his range to raise.

Still don't agree with this, villain isn't gonna play perfect

i'd agree w/ you if the decisions were harder. you think this opponent is not 4b 88? or is 4b w/ ak?

Looking back now, it's definitely more likely he'd 4bet AK than call 88, though in the heat of the moment, I'd have hated my hand if four bets went in on the turn, and I think it's fairly unlikely (albeit a nonzero chance) he'd do either. And he didn't strike me as the type to spazz out with anything less than what he perceived as value.