The game started with 5 players that I've never played with before. The big blind and I have previously played exactly one hand in this spot before just an orbit ago on the very first hand of the game. Here's our first hand:

I raise small blind with 87o, he calls.

972r

I bet, he raises, I call.

8o

I check, he checks.

Q

I bet, he calls. He says "aw had him on the flop."

next orbit:

I raise small blind with Q9, he calls.

AQ8

I bet, he calls.

J

It's on me.

Is this FW 20?

Last hand it's likely you were raised by either a weak 9 or some K7 type hand. Of course, *most* players will play far more honestly when there is an ace on the board.

I think the pot is small enough to where b/f is a viable option. Especially since all he knows about you is that you raised 87o.

Edit: Actually b/f is not an option in a BvB here when we have a gutshot (obviously villain could have Kx, but I discount him having too many of those once he raises turn). I think bet/call and re-evaluate river is the plan.

I feel like we can bet fold. I don't think the pot is enough that we have to call because we have a gutshot, especially when we still lose to Kx when we hit. JDR is correct that he probably doesn't have a ton of Kx, but I do think he has it sometimes, mostly when he has KT.

If I am called on the turn, I am not betting a blank river. If it's a blank I think it's pretty close between ck-call and ck-fold against someone who seems pretty passive if he was telling the truth in that other hand. I'd probably ck-call though since it's early in the session and I think it's good if we can improve our read by seeing what he has. I think seeing what he would show up with after that line might tell us a lot about how he plays.

In other news, this is a HU wide range hand, we have a pair of queens with a kicker that'll play, and a bunch of outs to beat most aces and J8, folding the turn is preposterous IMO.

Bet the turn, bet the river. Easy game

This is what I'd do online without really thinking about it.

Also, this:

Kinda sums up my feelings about folding.

If he had you on the flop in the first hand, He likely should have be the turn. So he may be on the passive side, which would make a bet/call turn - check/fold river unimproved a safe play in the second hand.

Correcting myself. If he just calls the turn, he has a lot of worse hands that also call a river bet. So yes, bet the river too. I thought I was actually adding value to this thread but I guess not

JT, KJ, KT, T8, and 98 are all in his range. Bet turn and brick river for value.

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Why is it so wrong to c/c? Maybe induce bluffs from a worse Q, an 8, or small pocket pair? Is it bc it over complicates river decision?

Why would you wan to check to induce from a Q or an 8 when they're not folding if you bet?

Zomg, what hand you c/c than ?

Why do you want to ch/c anything against an unknown?

Well i always try to play in a balance way vs unknown to figure out if his too aggro or passif and i try to exploit him after ?

I am not in the camp of thinking all players are bad and i am better than them at the start ( wich anyway is usually true that i am not that much better )

What do u do when u get check raised on turn? Call down? Just wondering. I tend to check call down unimproved here. If turn goes check check I bet most rivers.

It's a sample size of two. You don't have any real idea how's he going to react to anything yet. Just go for maximum value and start changing things up when he makes you.

You have second pair decent kicker. Bet it for value. No need to get cute.

Apologies. Last time I read strategy section after having a few too many. Not only did I miss OP having two pair, but by the time I got down to the last post, I somehow had it in my mind that we just had a bad queen! Scary... Good thing I don't drink while playing.

Thanks for the replies.

I'm curious to know where you guys draw the line with value betting this turn. Jx seems pretty thin to me, and every other Qx in my range has a kicker that doesn't play. I think Q9 falls right on the threshold and I like to err on the side of showing down a lot in wide ranged spots against unknowns. So this is what I did:

I'd bet the turn with a J for value