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Old 06-17-2012, 04:10 PM   #1
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Blind defense

1/2 at Bellagio. Tough young Internet pro who played a lot of huhu online opens in the middle somewhere. Wide range. I call in the BB with AcJd.

Flop is KcKs9c. I check call.

Turn is Jc. I cr and he calls.

River is the Qs. I bet, he raises, and I snap out 3 bets after about a 10 second pause.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:38 PM   #2
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This hand requires a pretty in depth analysis of both your ranges right?
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:46 PM   #3
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I don't see him folding a T (you could have KT for the chop if you're 3! for value), and I don't know why he would pick this river to raise/fold a K, so I can't think of a lot of positives this play has going for it.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:48 PM   #4
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Re: Blind defense

Im trying to understand why kckr is a credible way to play hands stronger than a pair of jacks, which is what you're repping when you 3bet the river. Im not getting it.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:50 PM   #5
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Im trying to understand why kckr is a credible way to play hands stronger than a pair of jacks, which is what you're repping when you 3bet the river. Im not getting it.
I think DaveR's line is a perfectly good way to play 99 or KQ or some other boat combo. My problem with his line isn't that he isn't credibly repping a boat, but that villain's value raising range on the river will mostly include hands that aren't folding to a 3! HUHU online players aren't too often in the business of folding straights getting 12:1.

EDIT: Whoops, just realized that if villain had a straight he would lose to a flush as well as a boat (didn't notice three clubs on the board). That makes it closer obv.

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Old 06-17-2012, 06:03 PM   #6
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1/2 at Bellagio. Tough young Internet pro who played a lot of huhu online opens in the middle somewhere. Wide range. I call in the BB with AcJd.

Flop is KcKs9c. I check call.

Turn is Jc. I cr and he calls.

River is the Qs. I bet, he raises, and I snap out 3 bets after about a 10 second pause.
I'm not a 1/2 player but seems you did the good old classic turning a made hand into a bluff? I feel like we are behind when he raises here but I don't see the point in your raise because I think he's showdown bound and not folding either a Q and certainly not a K. I could be wrong ...
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Old 06-17-2012, 06:20 PM   #7
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Re: Blind defense

Agree w everyone else, if he has AJ beat he isn't folding, I would have check folded river I think
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:14 PM   #8
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Agree w everyone else, if he has AJ beat he isn't folding
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Old 06-17-2012, 07:51 PM   #9
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Re: Blind defense

No way he folds better to an unknown Asian.
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:57 PM   #10
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No way he folds better to an unknown Asian.
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Old 06-17-2012, 09:55 PM   #11
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Re: Blind defense

Too bad there aren't any "tough young" internet pros on here to let us know if they would ever fold anything >AJo here.

In all seriousness, I'm just wondering if this play is an attempt at exploitation or playing GTO? IMHO, not a fan if it's the former and if it's the latter, wouldn't you need to make this play very rarely?

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Old 06-18-2012, 01:47 AM   #12
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I think DaveR's line is a perfectly good way to play 99 or KQ or some other boat combo. My problem with his line isn't that he isn't credibly repping a boat, but that villain's value raising range on the river will mostly include hands that aren't folding to a 3! HUHU online players aren't too often in the business of folding straights getting 12:1.

EDIT: Whoops, just realized that if villain had a straight he would lose to a flush as well as a boat (didn't notice three clubs on the board). That makes it closer obv.
I think it's more an issue of whether their raising range includes hands that they are ever (rather than even rarely) folding to a three on that particular board texture. I.e. are they really raising a naked T? So while you're rightish in the sense that villain's range may not include a lot of hands that are folding to a 3b, I suspect that villain's range may actually be even narrower than you think it is.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:37 AM   #13
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Re: Blind defense

I thing ur targeting one hand here that you think he could raise/fold (AQ), but I think he plays that hand that way a very small percentage of the time. No way he's raise/folding a straight.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:14 AM   #14
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Re: Blind defense

on the turn your hand looks a lot like it could be a straight or a flush so when he raises the river i'm putting him on a pretty narrow range that isn't going to fold
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:33 PM   #15
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I thing ur targeting one hand here that you think he could raise/fold (AQ), but I think he plays that hand that way a very small percentage of the time. No way he's raise/folding a straight.
That is not at all what I'm trying to do.
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