The table is not that good...A player a tad on loose side limps UTG and unknown (probably a TAG) at MP1 raises. Hero 3bet at MP2 with AcQc and end up heads-up with MP1.

Flop: J72r
MP1 calls Hero's c-bet.

Turn: 7r

Is there any merit to bet turn, to fold hands like KTs?




Now let's put Hero in MP1's shoes...What to do with AK or AQ on turn and river assuming Hero is unknown to MP1 too atm?

I check the turn, call the river unless MP1 spews, has to suspect you have AK/AQ here. If he bets the river and it's an ace, I suspect AJ. Maybe raise if it's a queen, but it's a dumb bet on his part to bet a queen, I think. Interested on others input. River raise is definately aggressive.

Feel the river if unimproved. The peel/bluff seems unlikely, so I start to tank. I am tanking and folding the river. AT peel/bluff is too unlikely. I put him on 44 and move on. You beat maybe KQ. AK may be betting here, all pockets, and a jack is a real holding in this spot. Too many combos and all you beat is KQ.

River raise is spew against unknown. Except maybe the q and you strongly suspect AJ.

Most likely holding is a jack. Count the combos.

pretty standard bet

For value on the turn? Board seems very dry. I know a lot of people peel a lot, but wired pair w an unknown is not giving up and all you can bluff is AK.

I am anxious to hear what others have to say here, but I check the turn w a lot of hands, and AQ is a poor bluff as it has showdown val.

My phil w unknowns is play more balanced/solid against them. If they are peeling w KTs then salute them for a few laps until you figure them out.

This is part of the reason I am on the tight side perhaps. I get kicks observing people.

I think this AQ is worth 1 bet max here .
So I check turn because with so many outs, I would need to call turn if I was c/r.
So I rather check and call river .

Two sets one quad -7 combos

Ten pp - 60 combos
Aj, Kj, Qj - 27 combos

KQ, AT -24 combos and really AT? Make it 16 combos

94-16

47-8

Roughly less than 6-1, marginal fold imho. Pretty close.

7.5 sb pre
2 sb flop

4.25 bb
River
5.25 bb.

What sucks is that rando is going to read you around AK/AQ, because that's what they do...

And it's 32 combos, so it's a decent guess I guess.

Bet

So you think if called when we bet we have easy 50% equity on turn?
You call turn and fold river ui if you get c/r ?
Seem to me AQ has more value has a bluff catch than a value hand.
No way a better hand fold.
What hand you think call us that we beat, not many.

just because you are below 50% doesn't mean you shouldn't bet. i could see bet/folding this hand on turn depending on villain, but bet/calling ak.

There's plenty of stuff you seem to neglect. For starters what does your betting range look like when you.l check AQ here and how perfectly they will play river vs us

Agree with this point - our opponent is going to put us on exactly what we have when we check back the turn and play the river well against us.

Perhaps I am giving unknown too much credit. Typical players make all kinds of peels. If the player plays reasonably well, my posts may seem better.

It may be close against a tough player, who will delay til the turn a lot and be willing to x/r the turn fairly thin for value and balance this with bluffs as well.

I think against a complete unknown it's a standard bet, since most people are x/r'ing a lot of the hands that beat us on the flop, and will not be bluffing enough when he does raise the turn.

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If we were going to check anything on the flop here (unsure we should), this wouldn't be a bad hand to check with also.

Good answer. Depends almost entirely on villain's flop xr tendency. If they delay everything, it's an easy check back. If they would raise flop with most of their value, go ahead and double barrel with this weak value.

(I disagree with your implication that good players delay a lot though. They should delay a lot against people who 2barrel to much, else attack flop aggressively)


On villain's side, folding turn with AQ/AK is crazy.

grunch:

It's important to have combos of AQ in your cbet + check back range on the flop. I like betting the BDFD combos of AQ and checking back ones w\out the redraws otf. Generally betting most of the time w\ aq.

as played, it's important to have combos of AQ in your cbet + check back range on the turn.

Do you see where I'm going with this? Mixed strategies are very important in LHE at high levels. especially when you are in the middle of your range.

Any argument for "always bet flop" or "always bet turn" or "always check turn" is very flawed and weak in my opinion without a specific exploitative reasoning. 3bet preflop, bet flop, bet turn, check river is very 2008 tagfish imo <3 That being said, it murders passive players and is the optimal exploitative line vs whales usually.

edit: most of the time when the correct answer is adopting a mixed strategy, people will argue endlessly for both sides... when in reality the answer is to do both. deviations from this are generally exploitative unless we're at the top or bottom of our range.