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Old 06-01-2012, 01:38 PM   #1
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Bet/Check/Raise ????

20/40 game has been normal game.... Aggressive player raises UTG... I'm UTG3 been playn maybe 1 hr showed down a couple of winning hands. I did lost a huge pot when I Flopped set vs set out of the SB blind.... LP has been here like 10 hands or so??? Played with him before he goes to showdown light.

UTG open raise, I 3bet with red JJ , LP flats so does UTG

Flop: 4d3c7h rainbow
Utg bets, I raise, LP 3bets ??? Utg folds and I call

Turn: 8c which does put 2 clubs out there
I bet and he calls

River: J of clubs !
I bet/check/raise ???? What do you think
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Old 06-01-2012, 01:50 PM   #2
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Re: Bet/Check/Raise ????

I don't really like that bet on the turn. But when he doesn't raise it's unlikely he has very much so not betting the river and letting him show down his A7 for free against your apparent (to him) TT is burning $.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:05 PM   #3
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Re: Bet/Check/Raise ????

With that turn action, I'm betting the river.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:20 PM   #4
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what its your thought process on call flop/dink river line?
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:37 PM   #5
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Re: Bet/Check/Raise ????

I would cap on the flop, bet turn. If he raises turn I check/call down and if he calls turn I bet river.
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Old 06-01-2012, 05:29 PM   #6
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I would cap on the flop, bet turn. If he raises turn I check/call down and if he calls turn I bet river.
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Old 06-01-2012, 11:12 PM   #7
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I would cap on the flop, bet turn. If he raises turn I check/call down and if he calls turn I bet river.
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As played, bet.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:14 AM   #8
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Re: Bet/Check/Raise ????

I'm not sure what LP is repping when he 3-bets the flop, but the call is fine. Why donk the turn though? If you think it's a free card play, just cap the flop and lead. But the problem with donking the turn is you are giving the villain an opportunity to shovel even more money into the pot if he has a monster which is possible here. And then you won't be able to fold because the pot is too big.

So as played, the turn is a check-call.

But having donked the turn, just bet the river. This sort of out of flow check-raise on the river almost never works, because either the villain checks behind and takes a free showdown or he or she is able to bet-fold because the out of flow check-raise represents an absolute monster.

Don't get greedy. Just b/3b the river.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:49 PM   #9
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I'm not sure what LP is repping when he 3-bets the flop, but the call is fine. Why donk the turn though? If you think it's a free card play, just cap the flop and lead. But the problem with donking the turn is you are giving the villain an opportunity to shovel even more money into the pot if he has a monster which is possible here. And then you won't be able to fold because the pot is too big.

So as played, the turn is a check-call.

But having donked the turn, just bet the river. This sort of out of flow check-raise on the river almost never works, because either the villain checks behind and takes a free showdown or he or she is able to bet-fold because the out of flow check-raise represents an absolute monster.

Don't get greedy. Just b/3b the river.
My thinking on the turn bet is I would be able to find a fold there??? We have played enough together he will always raise a set there or an over pair... he did flat 3 bets preflop.

So I bet the river and he Raises me???
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:02 PM   #10
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So I bet the river and he Raises me???
Call.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:08 PM   #11
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Call.
You don't like 3betting with top set ???
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Easy three bet on river IMO.
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You don't like 3betting with top set ???
No, not with that action. The villain 3-bet the flop and then popped the Jc river. He doesn't have J7, so what does he have? This is a pretty retarded way to play an overpair but if he has it I guess I miss a BB of value by flatting the river -- but OP says that his history with villain says an overpair would raise the turn. I'm expecting more to see either 65s that lolslowplayed the turn, or Ac7c or some other club combo that backed into a flush. And if he has some T9 hand that made a spewy flop play then I would laugh but not be surprised.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:52 PM   #14
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My thinking on the turn bet is I would be able to find a fold there??? We have played enough together he will always raise a set there or an over pair... he did flat 3 bets preflop.

So I bet the river and he Raises me???
playing JJ differently than, say, AA makes his raise "less reliable" not more, because you're telling him that you can't have the strongest hands in your range after your turn bet.

Assuming, of course, that there are some hands that you would 4! and lead or call and kr.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:32 PM   #15
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No, not with that action. The villain 3-bet the flop and then popped the Jc river. He doesn't have J7, so what does he have? This is a pretty retarded way to play an overpair but if he has it I guess I miss a BB of value by flatting the river -- but OP says that his history with villain says an overpair would raise the turn. I'm expecting more to see either 65s that lolslowplayed the turn, or Ac7c or some other club combo that backed into a flush. And if he has some T9 hand that made a spewy flop play then I would laugh but not be surprised.
I think he more likely has a lolslowplay set. I only think that because those hands are far more likely IMO pre flop. The hands hero loses to are kind of a stretch pre flop and u usually know the guys who would play those hands for three bets.
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