And if you really need proof, take a look at OTR screen shot and my spelling in my last sentence (even though I really do that as a time saver, I mean who takes the time to press ABC button on iPhone to use an apostrophe)

you don't have to press the ABC button. you just type "youre" it puts an apostrophe in there for you and you press space.

Let's see if you're right.

Also, if you're forced to read Strunk and White, all you really want to do it claw your eyes out. It's like a test for verifying if JL has actually done fewer* than his assigned reading.





*(less!)

But this comment is only valid if the commenter knows wtf they are talking about. It's not unheard of for people here to claim themselves to be knowledgable and to even charge for advice but in actuality to be significantly less competent than they claim.

I think that it is possibly not the case in the specific instance of chillrob getting advice from jon_locke, but I've been wrong about stuff before.

OTOH, Leroy2DaBeroy was pretty sure he was far better at HU LHE than a high stakes HUHU pro crusher are playing HULA. Skill gaps are sometimes not correctly understood. iirc, there was some champion's league. People do embarrass themselves at times.

Maybe you have something here.

Dunning-Kruger effect -- seems relevant to this conversation

But again, I don't really care if you tell me that my thought process is atrocious, as long as you're clear about why it sucks. If you don't tell me the first time, I can be a long-winded PITA until I get something concrete to learn from. Hopefully someone else lurking learns from me being a long-winded PITA.... or maybe I'm just telling myself that.....

Have you ever considered the possibility that figuring out on our own why something is awful is an extremely valuable developmental took in and of itself?

Hint, it will get you thinking about poker correctly?

well, i would guess some people aren't able to do this, or give up too soon, and some people are able to but don't want to. and add in the fact that a lot of people are posting useful good info out there publicly and you can see why there's not necessarily an incentive for people to do all the work on their own

this has been a dilemma on these boards for a few years now at least, and i imagine it applies in lots of different fields where good knowledge/info = money

do i think the folks who work through things on their own (and don't just rely on others) usually come away with the best understanding of the issue, and the best skill set? absolutely. but that's not the goal of everyone on here (to get as good as possible even if it means doing lots of work).

some people just want to get better than they currently are, without doing any work. and some people are willing to do some work but not a lot. and some people are here to help, and some people are here to troll, and some people are here to argue and stir the pot, and some people are here to berate other people, and some people are here because of all kinds of reasons. i'm a bit off-topic now but it's the internet forum circle of life, and probably the actual circle of life too

Yes. I think a great deal about pedagogy.

Pedagogy is a cooperative thing. You don't learn best by being spoon-fed rote answers, and you don't learn best by having someone tell you, "The answer is out there somewhere. Spend 20 years becoming an expert like I did and then maybe you'll find it." Ideally there's a happy medium. A good teacher gives a little, and then lets the student build on that, and then gives a little more when the student gets stuck.

I don't think anyone who's interacted with me on a strategy forum would accuse me of seeking easy answers. When I push back on the advice I'm given by skilled players, I put a lot of thought into making my case. Sometimes I make a very erroneous case, but hopefully never a lazy one. Hopefully others--expert and novice, alike--benefit from the thought I put into challenging conventional wisdom (CW), whether I'm right or wrong in the end. Experts are always learning.

Not many are on here with the intent of being a volunteer teacher, of course, but I think there's a lot of mutually beneficial pedagogy that goes on on this forum. I learn a lot from discussions with those more novice than me. Sometimes they force me to explain my own reasoning, which prevents me from just parroting CW without knowing why I'm doing so.

There's also the sad truth that some people work things out for themselves and get it wrong. (For example, working out that 762XX isn't all that great a starting hand in deuce-to-seven, because keeping the six means one can't make a wheel, and that one shouldn't necessarily be raising a UTG limper with it.)

One of the great strengths of interaction on the forums is that those of us who try that can put their worked-out ideas to the test by bringing them here, and get feedback and correction.

Never underestimate the power of Aahz's Law: "The quickest way to get information on the Internet is not to ask a question but to post the wrong answer." It's been the foundation of my posting style on poker issues for seventeen years now.

umm....fold pre?

Can anyone confirm how often the 20/40 and 40/80 LHE games run at the bellagio? Is it pretty much all the time? ta

Not 24/7, but pretty much every day. They are on bravo, so you can check on the app or http://www.bravopokerlive.com

Right now there are three 20's and eight on the list for 40.

Many thanks KL

Funny situation happened tonight in the 20 game at the B. Got down to 3-handed w myself, a typical tourist player, and a former November 9er whom decided to sit out until the game(which was rake-free! at this point) filled up. Thought he was kidding until he followed through on it.

who was it?

Am I allowed to say? Feel like my posts have always gotten deleated when I've included a name.