Good TAG (my friend from the Max Value thread) open-limps UTG+2 (this is going to be like small-mid pairs, better suited connectors, etc), female mixed games pro raises HJ, BTN (old man who is LP for this game but would probably be a "decent tag" in an 8/16) coldcalls, I call A9o in BB. I have a winning and extremely laggy image.

Flop 23Qr, checked around.
Turn 8, checked around.
River 3, I bet.

you're not folding a better ace, that is for sure.

are A7/A6/A5/A4 calling? certainly possible, so yeah, some value there. but pro probably doesn't have many of those hands, and i dont think your friend or old man do either. some combos maybe, but not many. also worth noting is that pro is likely to check back better aces, correctly or not, given the check backs on flop and turn. finally, it doesn't look like anyone is going to bluff here. all things considered, i think i prefer a check followed by (probably) a fold.

How can we continue reading after this description and action?

If it is value bet, what worse hands are caling you? a7?

One street too late.

I can't see worse calling.....unless this is a VB? If you are trying to get better aces to fold a turn bet is much better IMO.

Seriously. Open-limping in limit poker makes baby jesus cry. You're friend isnt a "good TAG"...he's a fish. As played, i just check. I like a bet ott rather than the river if anything.

Just to clarify:

1) This is a value bet designed to target weaker aces and good K hi's. It's not a bluff against better Ax (I think most better aces, and any pair, would have fired the turn for "protection.") There may be some times when a worse Ax calls and a better one folds b/c they can't overcall, but I don't see this happening a ton.

2) Not clear why we would want to bet the turn as opposed to the river: it seems like we are just going to end up value-cutting ourselves a bunch and we're better off trying to induce bluffs in a smallish pot than firing against 3 players who may have some pairs, better Ax, etc. I feel much more confident in our hand on the river than the turn so it seems like there's more value in firing there, even if the range of worse hands we're targeting is smaller.

you were gonna call the turn if someone bet?

agree here.

Maybe on the internet people make hero calls with K hi, but I don't see that happening in a live 20 game too much. it's 4 ways, no action after the flop, pot is small...meh I'd let this go and hope A/9 is good.

Some of you won't agree with this, but I wouldn't call a/9o in the bb for one bet 4 ways. Heads up maybe, but not 4 ways.

fyp

For the record, I don't hate a fold of A9o in the BB, but on equity it's a clear call and could be a 3 bet. (The reason to fold would be playability multiway out of position.)

My problem with a bet on the river is that every pair + AK-AT are calling us while we aren't getting a lot of value. I guess I prefer an x/c of one bet from one player on the river.

Betting the river "for value" four handed is so wtf I can hear the lurkers tilting at this thread.

+1 yuck

Stick to yahtzee. I'd call here with A2o, K7o, any two suited cards, 69o, etc.