1500 limit tourney. 300-600, level increase imminent. I have 4200, DrOlsen and Burry Greinstein have fighting chips. The doctor has been doctoring as scheduled, but Mr Greenstein has been a bit feisty.

We open two black jacks utg, the Doctor three bets in Co, BG calls in the bb and we see a flop.

Q62ss. Checks to the doctor who bets, BG raises, and we?

What if we were playing a black chip game instead?

Ewww

Pretty sure we can move the goalposts/assumptions around to make any of the 3 options correct

i'd call

Hate this spot as I seem to make wrong choice allot.

I think I fold in tourney and call in a cash game. Think we can expect bb to cr flop with 77-TT at a higher frequency in cash and be more apt to check call in tourney.

I fold in a cash game and tourney. Is folding too weak in a cash game?

This is just a horrible spot, but our stack is so small (we just have 6 BB w/ level increase imminent if we fold) that I'd really hate to stick 3 BB in and get shown BG's AQ.

I know I'd call given the players in cash. Tournament, I'm not so sure.

I'd fold. Folding in tourneys is always a +ev option due to the possibility of players busting. The closer to the bubble you are, the more this is true. So if a call is correct, it has to be more profitable than folding, which I don't see happening in this spot due to the strength of the preflop 3 bet vs your utg raise and the resulting flop check raise vs that 3 bettor's flop cbet.

Does BG play LHE well? I played with him briefly once and he didn't do anything that stood out as being bad, but I guess I'm not really sure what your read on him is. Based on my assumption that he probably plays quite well, I would call.

This is only my second time ever playing with BG. Once for about an hour in the 5k three years ago, and about 5 hours yesterday. Never saw him do anything bad and he bluffed/stabbed in the right spots. He gets the Zomg seal of approval

There were no bubble conciderations. Far more pressing is the fact I have 5.5 bets after preflop action and there are more than 6 tasty bets in the pot already that I'm not excited about bailing on.

BG has been on my right all day and it's tough to say because I didn't get to see his cards a lot but BG has c/r'd a lot on the flop in spots where I'd be doing it to make me fold so he has my attention

Flop: I call and so does the doctor

Turn: I have forgotten the turn, but it was a blank. So let's go with red 5

BG bets, I reluctantly call, Dr raises, BG folds, and I.....

In before fsdr turn

I would fold the flop and the turn (after Dr. Olsen raises). The flop is a really gross spot so I don't blame you for calling.

What ranges do we give DrOlsen and BG? Is it more likely BG would CR draws and marginal hands rather than a hand like AQ or KQs? CRing those good queens would put him in a spot to lose 4BB to DrOlsen if he has AA/KK fwiw.

From my 6 hours of tourney experience with BG I'd guess he c/r's almost all flush draws, Q+'s, and most likely all pp's he has in his range. He seemed like he'd know folding me out is huge if he has 88 and I think he had like 15k chips so no worries there

I also got the impression that BG isn't the kind of guy who would be overly concerned that Dr might have an overpair

Dr was playing tight pf but I haven't no idea is that was by choice or by chance and was playing very sticky post.

I think it's a fold in a tourney and a call in a cash game.

I agree with the general assessment that spots like these are calls in cash and folds in tournies. I think the problem is that Greenstein can totally afford to C/C his Queens here as he wouldnt gain anything by knocking EP off of a 3 outer or pocket pair. Also if EP has AK that's only 3 outs vs Greenstein's AQ or KQ. So it's not so much to save bets, as it is to keep EP in with 2 outers that seem like they might be good. Then BG could CR all pocket pairs to fold out bigger pocket pairs or hands that will have more outs.

I ended up folding on the turn and felt like I cluster ****ed the hand. I took so long to call on the flop i basically turned my hand face up to Dr which allows him to dick with me a lot on the turn if he decides. BG's line and the board don't leave a lot of room for Dr to get out of line. BG basically snap folded so he had to have 77-JJ

+1


Not closing the action makes it a fold on the flop imo.

I feel like we are effectively closing the action

Yeah, I'd expect the dr to pop the turn instead of three betting now

Just top set, no big deal.