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08-02-2015 , 05:32 PM

foobar

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Jumping on the bandwagon...will this thread survive?

Worst month ever in July. F July.

08-02-2015 , 05:42 PM

that_pope

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I'm here.

08-02-2015 , 05:45 PM

quantph

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Ahh, that's better, all is right in the 2+2 universe again

08-02-2015 , 06:03 PM

DougL

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Originally Posted by quantph

Ahh, that's better, all is right in the 2+2 universe again

Liked your thread title better.

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I suggest "Theze are Sirius Daze" for next LC thread name

08-02-2015 , 11:42 PM

quantph

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Originally Posted by DougL

Liked your thread title better.

Sometimes I haz a way with words.

And sometimes with cards. Last night I rivered my gutshot straight and raised a better and caller, they both folded getting 28.5:1! WTF?? One guy claims to have folded a set, lol. Table image FTW (or FTL?).

08-03-2015 , 05:16 AM

jonboy72

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I just lost w a 5 badugi. Good thing we were playing 10/20/500 spread limit, a game that never goes in that structure, so I got to lose the absolute max. That was fun.

08-03-2015 , 04:40 PM

jdr0317

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Chances are high that I'll be making a journey to Borgata on the 21st. Anyone going to be down there? Hoping to get some good 40 action.

08-03-2015 , 06:15 PM

prototypepariah

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Ill be there but unless you're buying I won't be playing 40.. game always goes, no need to worry.

08-03-2015 , 06:35 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by prototypepariah

Ill be there but unless you're buying I won't be playing 40.. game always goes, no need to worry.

Nice. Yeah, last time I went, 40 looked like it was roaring. But me being the bankroll nit that I am, decided to stick with a soft 20 (good lord, the 20 at Borgata is good). Despite a nice 50-something reg lady (can't remember who) telling me that I "need" to be in that game. Friend cleaned up when he played in it.

Last weekend was the first time in awhile 40 didn't go at Foxwoods, wicked disappointing.

08-04-2015 , 04:11 PM

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foobar

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Last night. 4 handed forever, two guys bust and it's hu between me and a guy who's in for 9 racks in a 3/6 blind structure game. I get within 1 rack of having literally all the chips from the game. We kick it up and he proceeds to hit every hand and get almost 6 racks back in 3 downs. I had to quit him @ 730 this morning.

FML

08-04-2015 , 06:35 PM

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jesse8888

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Originally Posted by foobar

No gamble? No future.

08-04-2015 , 10:10 PM

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prototypepariah

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I leaned that lesson never play a guy headsup when he looks like he's going to felt and go home.Once he's down to sub 10bets I'm done. Unless I know hell play short forever and won't quit me.

08-04-2015 , 10:13 PM

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prototypepariah

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Originally Posted by jdr0317

Borgata is final table 1996 wsop compared to playing in tunica this weekend. Tunica is like playing in a time warp. 5-6ways limped it was sooo redic.

40 I can't comment on unless its super juciy I don't get much time with the regs unless they are sluming it during week at parx. Unless there is a second game... and ya 20 is 99.9% good.

08-05-2015 , 12:55 AM

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callipygian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prototypepariah

I leaned that lesson never play a guy headsup when he looks like he's going to felt and go home.Once he's down to sub 10bets I'm done. Unless I know hell play short forever and won't quit me.

No, felt him, then jump up and yell, "There can be only one!"

08-05-2015 , 02:07 AM

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OnTheRail15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by prototypepariah

I leaned that lesson never play a guy headsup when he looks like he's going to felt and go home.Once he's down to sub 10bets I'm done. Unless I know hell play short forever and won't quit me.

Really? Seems like an awful policy to me.

08-05-2015 , 08:50 AM

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Bob148

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I have a loose theory that when someone gets really shortstacked, then certain hands become unplayable on the button such as 84s because those hands rely on implied odds and bluffing opportunities to win back the preflop investment.

08-05-2015 , 09:43 AM

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prototypepariah

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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15

Really? Seems like an awful policy to me.

I don't play a ton of hu hu, but if i do it's usually against a random. Who's stuck, if he's getting short say $200/300 in 20/40 i'm done. If I were playing with someone who wouldn't snap quit if they get back close to even I wouldn't quit.

Definitely been on the wrong side of guys basically felted only to get 20/30 bets back and wrap it up. I see it as make 10ish bets or lose 30ish and get quit on, so it's not worth the risk to me.

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Originally Posted by Bob148

I think that's valid. Maybe not at 10bb but if a guy has 5 or 6? you can't just blindly barrel off the 8 high. imo.

08-05-2015 , 10:42 AM

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OnTheRail15

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You really don't want to be known as the kind of gambler who crushes someone huhu then quits them when they get short. Just gamble ffs.

08-05-2015 , 12:07 PM

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DougL

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+1

It is also possible to learn how to adjust to shorter stacked villains. There's an equal chance he's as or more terrible 3BB as he suddenly gets to be expert.

08-05-2015 , 12:55 PM

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jdr0317

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You should be thrilled to ever play a guy you're clearly better than HU, IMO.

I'm also never sad when someone is short stacking at the table. Means they can't hurt me as much in a hand. Also, I think a lot of players deliberately change the way they play for the worse when left w/ not many chips on the table (this is why I hate having less than 2 racks in front of me).

08-05-2015 , 12:58 PM

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UpHillBothWays

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jdr0317

re: the second part. optimal strategy is to have 1bb at the table. seeing 5 cards for less than it costs to pay for them is a huge advantage. if it were legal, buying in for 1bb each hand would be ideal.

however, since that's not possible, you're actually at a disadvantage to short stackers if they play it correctly (most dont etc., but it's a noticeable disadvantage).

08-05-2015 , 01:12 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by UpHillBothWays

Can you explain the math behind this? Maybe I'm biased from personal experience (guys who allow their stacks to get short in the first place are usually awful at poker and easy marks in HU games).

I remember one guy I played HU 8 on Carbon made like 5 sets on me in 200 hands. Bunch of top twos and flushes as well. Essentially had a huge hot run of cards, and somehow I broke even vs him because he'd do things like defend T6o, donk K62r, get raised, call, and redonk the J turn. And then possibly donk the 3 river. Usually, the only times he wouldn't redonk are the times he made two pair.

08-05-2015 , 02:08 PM

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that_pope

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You never fold potential winners. You never fold your big blind, and you get to pick what hands you play outside of that. You would also need the caveat that the guy leaves and rebuys for 1bb after 'ratholing'

08-05-2015 , 03:50 PM

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DougL

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I a HUHU spot, it doesn't matter.

In a full ring LHE game, you're getting free equity from everyone who folds. Mason may have laid out the maths in one of his Poker Essays books -- he's in the camp of having a nice stack, but he laid out the math for why being a 1bb ratholer gives an insane WR.

In NL, you're absolutely crushing the bigger stacks math-wise due to issues where they're dealing with multiple stack sizes. It is funny because so many NL players (especially live ones) think a big stack is an advantage.

08-05-2015 , 06:39 PM

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chunkit4wanton

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fwiw, defending 106o is correct jdr-I don't play a ton of hu lhe these days (I play basically anyone at it live if they want to)...but playing snowie is a great way to get a feel for how you should be playing

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