live 30 in cali

utg+2 raises, poster calls in HJ, i 3b AsQc in CO, bb coldcalls, utg+2 caps, all call.

utg+2 is super spewy pf and post, isn't as polarized becuz he often doesn't know if he is value-betting or bluffing, says he is from arizona.

bb is a reg who likes to slowplay two-pair+ hands even in multi-way flop spots. he is tight, cautious, not spewy, and currently stuck for the session.

flop: Ac 4c 2x

i bet, bb calls, arizona calls, HJ folds.

turn: Jx

i bet, bb c/r, arizona instacalls two cold, i call.

river: 5x

bb now checks, arizona instabets, and i...

i think arizona can have a busted flush draw, a straight, random kamikaze bluffs, and some slow-played sets/two-pairs that were planning to raise turn but then decided to just coldcall vs bb's tightish range.

even if i think i am ahead of arizona here, i feel like i need to bluff bb off of a two-pair type hand and i am not sure if he lays those down since my line would not really add up to a thinking player.

pot is over 15 big bets. call, raise, fold, move to arizona?

So did arizona check the flop to you after capping preflop?

If the 'shift' key is broken on your keyboard, I can buy you a new one. Maybe.
I don't think that BB's line makes a lot of sense as well so I really want to see a showdown, even though I will often lose. Now as I decided to see showdown, I don't want to pay 2 bets for it. So I call.

looks like he did... otherwise it would be hard for the hero to "bet"

yes

By the way, the reason I wouldn't try to bluff BB now is in CaptainR's "bluffing thread" -

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...gelove-925701/

"Bluff weakness, not strength" paragraph

i guess the part in OP about arizona having some flopped monsters doesn't make any sense since he would most likely just bet out otf. i was actually a little worried about JJ from either bb or arizona.

I just call the river and look for an over call from BB.

Trying to bluff BB off 2 pair on the river is a terrible idea.

I would call and hate it

I would call, because if I didn't, I'd hate it

Seems standard. Call the river and win enough times.

BB is not checking that river with anything that beats you, unless for whatever reason he is scared UTG+2 binked the straight. Despite your read, I think he was semibluffing the turn with JcXc or spaz-raising with Ax, and is practically surrendering.

UTG+2 has a pretty wide range but almost certainly didn't have a set or two pair on the turn. I'd call and feel pretty good about it.

QFT.

All of the Oaks 30 descriptions must be pretty good because I instantly have a decent idea of who the BB might be. If I'm right, IMHO, I say he actually CAN be spewy and definitely calls far too light out of the blinds. With that said, he can hand read OK and his line would make no sense since he should think that a 3 is unlikely in most scenarios and would most likely have bet the river with all his holdings that beat you.

Let me add if he does check this river with a hand that beats you with any consistency being a bit MUBsy, then you're saving quite a few bets in the long run and I wouldn't mind calling here getting 15:1.