Ya, was like 1/2 or some sort of lolstakes.

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Lady raises UTG, I fold KQo in middle position. It hits the dealers hand and flips over. Big blind defends. Flop QQx and big blind ends up winning at showdown with A9 unimproved.

It was 8 handed, and it was an asian woman.

A few hands later I open utg and get 3 callers. I guess my nitty image needs more refining.

Maybe people aren't paying attention. And maybe that is good.

Checking the nuts on the river when no one took a stab at the pot on the turn will refine your image quite nicely.

Passive aggressive FTW?

Last night same casino 2/3 structure 5-6 handed hero in BB. Dealer deals too many cards (mix game) and I thought it was misdeal. Before looking, UTG+1 argues for misdeal. Everybody kinda murmurs in agreement. I don't really hear conversation as I'm on other side of table, but am confused when UTG (fun to play with) puts out 6 chips. Everybody ditches their cards but they don't really look like folds in my head. I show A5o fold and whine, "I could've made something." Everybody pauses for a sec and looks confused (nobody more than UTG lol). I look confused then figure out what happened and feel dumb.

Last night same casino 2/3 structure 5-6 handed hero in BB. Dealer deals too many cards (mix game) and I thought it was misdeal. Before looking, UTG+1 argues for misdeal. Everybody kinda murmurs in agreement. I don't really hear conversation as I'm on other side of table, but am confused when UTG (fun to play with) puts out 6 chips. Everybody ditches their cards but they don't really look like folds in my head. I show A5o fold and whine, "I could've made something." Everybody pauses for a sec and looks confused (nobody more than UTG lol). I look confused then figure out what happened and feel dumb.

Game is 30-60. A terrible, loose player (major action and he is the softest spot in the game) opens in MP and the SB calls. He too is loose and bad. What is your calling range in the BB? Specifically, would you fold 75 offsuit?

Thanks.

if he's the type of major action to give you way too many bets postflop it's an easy call

I would fist-pump call 75o

Basically anything except the worst of the worse.

Yeah I'm pretty much looking to get in there with anything that can flop okay against the major action and another weak spot from the BB. 75o for sure.

Man, I suck so bad. I bet the turn yesterday on a checked around flop with air from the bb (K4), got raised by a guy who was completely full of it, and instead of playing back I decided to call down with high and get owned by an ace (under the foolish assumption that the guy would not bet ace high on the river, even though he raised the turn in a totally moronic spot where he is representing nothing and might just have a better K-high that it would make sense to bet).

Interesting thought. One of my favorite poker stories is that in like 2004 when I was a professional college loan acceptor my parents told me to drop out and play poker on party. I was a hemoraging micro player so I told my parents no, I was going to be responsible, get my degree first, then think about. I end up running up my loans, dropping out, and taking poker seriously years later when party is long gone and the games much tougher.

But looking back on it I played with some of those early party crushers and a lot ended up as bitter rakeback pros. By playing later I missed out on a lot of the gold rush but by the time I came around 2+2 had grown much more. In particular the SSSH forum was filled with tons of amazing advice daily and many players who became world beaters were also starting out and we "grew up" together. Combined that this was also the time vids sites hit their peek, I may have missed the period with the softest games but I probably started at around the ideal time for the period of the games informational peak.

If I had started playing in 04 I'm not sure I'd have actually made it out alive

is anyone folding 75o in bb ever when it's 1 more bet?

I think im folding like 13 total hands in this spot

And i beat live 20/40 for almost a full small bet an hour so... you know. Im expert.

Interesting to see someone else actually articulate this concept.

A lot of the moderately successful kids these days, who are really hard workers and keep up with all the training sites, tools, and available information, but who aren't necessarily particularly bright, have the opinion that they would easily have made millions if they'd just started 3-6 years earlier. And it's simply not true. Chances are good some of them wouldn't have been successful at all. Different times, different skill sets.

I share the same thoughts ZOMG. I've always considered myself lucky, in a way, for missing the gravy train. Also, pretty good timing with Black Friday, as the barrier to entry into the poker world is much tougher now, and new players have a harder time getting the experience that I was able to grinding online for a few years.

Huh? If you have the skills to be in the top 5-10% in today's online climate, you would likely be in the top 1-2% pre BF. What am I missing?

a lot of the people saying they would have been crushers in 2006, thats great, did you crush at daily fantasy sports? that was one that a small amount of research could have led one to understand how crushable that was. some people took advantage of it and made a killing, most did not.

i'm sure there's some thing thats equivalent to the poker boom happening in some industry that you can get on the ground floor of, but you won't be reading about it in this thread.

its not like the next big thing announces itself to everyone and gives everyone an equal chance to study it up. you have to go digging.

i did not crush the golden ages, mostly because i was a college freshman idiot. i don't think i'm alone in this regard.

This makes me feel better about not going pro in 2004. I often wonder how much I missed out on. Maybe dodged a bullet?

I'm guessing what they're saying is if you became a crusher in 2004, you wouldn't have developed the drive to continue to work on your game. Today it's basically a requirement if you want to win money.

Obviously its not the case for everyone. There are a lot of awesome players that work really hard that no doubt would have crushed back then. But you can magiaclly go back and say man if i Played then like I play now.... because like ZOMG said part of the reason people play so good now is because of software tools, videos, 2+2 study tools etc. You still would have been one of the better players I'm sure, but the real question has to do with how much drive you have to get better once you have all the money and think you can keep printing it forver

I cant speak for other but the main way I got better was playing million + hands online in tough-very tough medium-hi stakes games, where you basically have to learn to play very well or just go broke. If I have 7 fugures in the bank from pre-bf I can assure you I'm not grinding out SNE at 10-20 or even playing 30-60.

Maybee I play some 1-2 or 2-4 because I've crushed poker my entire life and have plenty of money but that game is now filled with better players that have worked harder than me and more importantly the games have becomes increasingly tougher every year. SO while I used to be the best player in the game simply as a result of playing with 5 people that are horrible, when we now replace those 5 people with 1 horrible guy and 4 of the best players in the world we have no shot.

Not to mention, we probably just spend like crazy since we are printing 500k a year and that will go on forever, not to mentioned we bought like 4 houses right before the real estate market crashed and now we are in a pretty tough spot.


I agree with ZOMG and have talked with people about this before. I started playing later than most (.5-1 limit when party went down) and by the time I started playing mid-stakes online the games were super hard. So while I missed out on lots of free money I def at least learned how to play at a fairly hi level.