First hand in a bovada game so no reads. Sb has 800+ dollars.

Bovada 10/20 6 handed

SB opens. I defend K5o.

Flop 372

Bet. Call.

Turn 7

Bet. Call.

River 3

Check. Bet. Raise. Call.

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After reading action correctly, I like it and bet-call. Also think this is bovada specific (tough games)

Were you trying to induce a bluff raise when you bet the river? Or what was the thought?

People usually bet the river with Ahigh+ so I was value betting.

Do they typically call with worse than K high here also? Just didn't think that was likely, but I don't play these games.

You'll get called by Q hi most the time time hey have it, but real value is You induce the 2x, 45/56..... bluffriase here quite often (and why I bet call river)

I know you don't have any reads but how often would you guess he does this with A high?

I have no earthly idea. I have no reads.

well hopefully this hand has a happier ending than Romeo and Juliet does.

The only part I'd be concerned about is whether an unknown would by default call Q-hi often enough, probably I guess. Otherwise it seems like a nice hand.

This is the kind of thing I was wondering about. Definitely interesting and the play seems right if you will get calls from Q high and induce some bluff raises.

it seems like the hands you want to induce a bluff raise from are more likely to bet rather than check.

I like the river vb against an online player and I like calling the raise too. Well I don't actually like to call the raise, but it must be done.

With no reads, this looks like he has A high, which would be a perfect spot to check raise the river with and to induce you to take a stab at the pot when he checks it to you. I love this play by him if he does show up with A high. I hate your position here, but think you have to call for the obvious reasons.

Calling all Kx vs the c/r would be significantly overcalling but I can see why you think that might be correct. Randomizing by folding Kx with better kickers and calling K5 is reasonable but I would fold this because I would rather block a 7x combo and I think 75o is discounted vs an unknown.

As for betting all Kx once checked to, I think there are reasons this may not be the best play vs certain styles of both good and bad players but it's reasonable to want to cover as many bluffs as possible here as you will show up with 6high or worse a lot and I don't have a strong feeling vs a random anonymous 10/20 online player.

checking A high to induce here is fine. Check raising A hi here is really really stupid. That may not be fair actually, because its much worse than that (this is assuming we don't know villain has K hi here, which is only way it could be good).

Live 15-30 to 40/80 player here.

Haven't played volume online since the Party glory days but since I have nothing to add to this thread, I just want to say JESUS, your online 10/20 games make my live 30s and 40s look like ******ation.

Is this really the current state of online 10/20 in general, or is this Bovada-specific?

Part of why I was curious about this hand is because I have started playing Bovada, and the games actually seem very good. I've only played as high as 3/6 there however.

You can still find special 10/20+ games online. It's just of a significantly different hue than the form you'd find in live mid stakes.

if a villain is capable of x/r'ing 45, 56, 46, isn't he more likely to bet initially rather than check with these hands? also, i doubt these hands make up much of villain's range to begin with. they may have all combos of 56, but 45 and 46 may only have 4 combos each.

put another way, isn't villain more incentivized to bet initially on the river with 6hi and 5hi since he gains nothing by checking?

6hi/5hi hands are not hands i see villain's give up with often.

i guess my point is that it seems like we should be expecting to see more Qhi/Jhi/Thi hands from villain than 6hi/5hi. either way, it doesn't change that we should play the hand by calling the river after we bet.

They don't think through what they are doing. They check give up on the river, then when button bets maybe they change their mind and say I'm going to rep a 3 (even though they probably cr the flop with it most of the time).

Basically there is just an endless string of absurd decisions with little though process behind them. So all I can say is yes, they cr these hands in the river; I have no idea why or what they are thinking, but they certainly do.

Is it bad to check behind here on river?

ok. i gotcha.

i don't think it's bad in this particular situation. the first hand of the session on an anonymous site we'd like to gain as much information as we can. we don't have a read that this particular villain will call or x/r bluff with worse hands. i don't think it's bad to forgo some thin value in favor of getting to showdown cheaply on a site where we need to start building reads as soon as possible. however, i don't play on bovada often and if hero has a read on the play of the population, i have to go with his read.

Based on the way the hand played out, would you really put him on a better hand than A high? Almost no chance he has you beat with a FH or higher PP, so that is why I say I like the check raise play with A high. At worse you are chopping, so this play may gain you a bit of equity in the loan run if you can get someone to fold an Ace here by check raising. Then you also have the time where a K or Q high might call. Combine that with maybe getting an A to fold every now and then, it is +EV in the long run. How can that be really really stupid?