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01-10-2016 , 07:28 AM
Pretty standard stuff by both Villain and Hero here. But I hate the pf raise with A2-A8 from utg, even if its a short handed. This has gotta be a huge leak.

There are very few scenarios where you are comfortable with your hand here.

a. You get 3 bet out of position and are freeze-fked if any Ace hits the board. Your only hope is that there is some dry-ass board and your opponent is tight as fk. Any Ace will look you up given that your table image is LAG.

b. You get smoothed pre flop and an A hits the board. You're getting called all the way by most Aces, even with a check raise at some point.

c. God forbid that the pot becomes multi way because now you are in between players, with no position.

Your best scenario is that all players fold and youre up against SB, BB. But what are SB/BB likely to call an UTG raise with? Just seems like a losing proposition in the long term.
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01-10-2016 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SaltRocks
Pretty standard stuff by both Villain and Hero here. But I hate the pf raise with A2-A8 from utg, even if its a short handed. This has gotta be a huge leak.

There are very few scenarios where you are comfortable with your hand here.

a. You get 3 bet out of position and are freeze-fked if any Ace hits the board. Your only hope is that there is some dry-ass board and your opponent is tight as fk. Any Ace will look you up given that your table image is LAG.

b. You get smoothed pre flop and an A hits the board. You're getting called all the way by most Aces, even with a check raise at some point.

c. God forbid that the pot becomes multi way because now you are in between players, with no position.

Your best scenario is that all players fold and youre up against SB, BB. But what are SB/BB likely to call an UTG raise with? Just seems like a losing proposition in the long term.
i like your other post about stereotypes much better than this.

so the bottom of your open raising range from middle position (same as UTG in a 6max game) is A9s?
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01-10-2016 , 07:50 AM
Ha. Im not sure how this compares with conventional wisdom but my opening range from UTG 6 max is like A-7ish/55 and up.
I guess I dont consider UTG the same as middle position even in 6max. Maybe a bit conservative for some but I think that the potential for a 3 bet is higher in 6 max, so UTG is one spot too far out of position.

If its a scenario where a 9 handed table has gone short and people are not adjusting values, then Im more inclined to raise any Ace from any position.

nitty nits. Should I rethink this?

Last edited by SaltRocks; 01-10-2016 at 07:57 AM.
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01-10-2016 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by SaltRocks
Ha. Im not sure how this compares with conventional wisdom but my opening range from UTG 6 max is like A-7ish/55 and up. From middle position its any Ace and up. Personal preference? Just dont like A-little when Im never going to have position.
This is an odd thing to post on a hand where he has position
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01-10-2016 , 08:06 AM
Oh, yeah I saw that. I was just discussing the implications of raising UTG and how a majority of times you end up out of position (although it didnt happen in this case). So is it +ev play when in the long run youre most likely going to run into spots where you are out of position and have little flex in terms of how to play the hand? Maybe a better solution would be to just avoid spots like this?

Not sure. like i was saying before. Im more used to playing short when a full ring game goes short, so thats a bit different.
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01-10-2016 , 08:16 AM
Why do you keep saying UTG? He's not utg.
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01-10-2016 , 08:22 AM
Sounds to me like you're just or uncomfortable in marginal spots so you're willing to sacrifice EV. If you're going to play the hand poorly post flop then by all means fold. The other option is too just learn how to play non but hands post flop
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