whoa whoa, zzeigler plays live poker now?

Lol @ very strong thinking player. I heard about this lineup last Saturday I would love to know who you are talking about

No the person who initially claimed he was zzeigler told me he is not. If you played with both at all you would know they can't be the same person

What does your hand look like to a very strong thinking player if you check and raise the river after the turn checks through? I think it looks like exactly what it is; trash.

I mean that's how I would play Ax on River. Either they value bet river thinly, or they bluff random over cards that wouldn't call a bet. Really only lose value when they check back a hand they call a river bet with (which I think is far less than amount of hands they randomly bluff on River).

I'm sorry but you're kind of messing up the description here. The paradox doesn't need a second person to switch with, and this not a zero sum game. The paradox is more basic and involves just one person: as soon as you've chosen one envelope and even before you open it, you could perform the EV calculation and decide that you should switch, and soon as you've done that you are forced to switch again etc.

The resolution of this paradox is instructive, it involves a careful consideration of what the expected value calculation looks like. Basically you can't just say there are two cases, and in one the value is 2A and the other is A, because A is a random variable whose expectation changes conditioned on which situation you're in. You should read the wikipedia article on it (two envelopes paradox), it has a lot of information and variants of the problem.

If you have trouble understanding the wikipedia explanation, then you should read the resolution of the necktie paradox first, that is much clearer and essentially the same thing.

I haven't read the whole thread but I think that against some villains a flop k/r and a river call are closer to standard than to corner cases.

For what it's worth, I like a river raise too, depending on villain.

The best play here is to just fold the flop in this tiny pot.

I am surprised to find anyone advocating calling this flop. And they say lhe is dead. LOL.

A. This strong thinking player only thoughts are how to get cheaper parking. The litany of mistakes he makes is about the only thing impressive about him. If you think he's a strong player it's only because you haven't seen him play enough.

B. The answer to the envelope is simple. Take both. You nerds aren't stopping me!

Admittedly, my knowledge of this villain was based on his reputation and what I had heard about him -- I'm not a regular at Borgata. I had heard that later in the day, for instance, he 3 bet an UTG raise full ring with A6s in the SB. I did not know this at the time though, so I felt it would be an unfair read to post.

how does this hand get this many posts-I've gotta start playing live on the east coast again
c/c flop. river intuitively seems somewhat close btwn c/r, but in game i doubt many people find the raise...which makes me even more inclined to raise...

people dont bluff checkraise this river in game because nobody ever bet/folds a better hand enough to make it profitable, except a few whales who think they play well

meh i havent played in this 80 game in six months so you may be right. call.
next hand

seat almost always open buddy . wish i coulda hung around and played more when it was the 3 of us that one time.

in terms of your response, like pete said, there's basically nothing he'd bet/fold here.

and separately, i'm liking the varied responses to the thread. so nice pick of a hand magic.

lol at anyone saying this flop is a fold( hint your suit manner a lot). and also lol at thinking ZZeigler is a fish. LHE is so behind and he still so far ahead in the curve. He does play super lag pre but I suspect he just think other player are a lot weaker post flop. I was coach by zzeigler for a month or two and things only make sense months later when dream machine came out that can actually calculated what GTO looks like instead of the old A-1 defense thinking that lhe came up with.