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Old 07-21-2012, 06:43 AM   #1
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60 live, river spot #2

UTG+1 is a pro from the East Coast, not an outstanding player IMO but def not bad; his style is borderline between TAG and LAG I would say with the LAGgier side mostly manifested preflop. He is very showdown bound. It's 8 handed now and there is a poster in CO who posted BB+SB (2/3 structure)
UTG+1 opens, folds to hero who defends K5o in BB
Flop 5T2 hero check raises UTG+1 calls
Turn T hero bets planning to fold to a raise (?), UTG+1 calls
River 4 hero ?
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Old 07-21-2012, 09:56 AM   #2
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

I fold this prerlop. If I defend, I tend to approach flops like this vs tight ranges a bit more cautiously. Mistake?

As played the river seems like a bet/fold unless the player in question is very creative with river bluff raises.

I almost like b3b river better than b/c.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:01 AM   #3
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

Vs a utg+1 raise I fold this one in blinds.

Do you consider x/c river?
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:19 AM   #4
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

fold preflop

why would you fold to a turn raise?
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:12 PM   #5
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

I would defend only with a big overlay from CO poster but I would not c/r this flop.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:55 PM   #6
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why would you fold to a turn raise?
Good question, now after I thought about it more, I probably shouldnt
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:02 PM   #7
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

You guys read the hand? Folding preflop is a huge mistake, he is getting 16:3. Hand is played fine, bet the river and except to usually win when called and probably fold to raise
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:18 PM   #8
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You guys read the hand? Folding preflop is a huge mistake, he is getting 16:3. Hand is played fine, bet the river and except to usually win when called and probably fold to raise
you're right, i missed that the poster posted both blinds. i thought it was just a normal post.
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:20 PM   #9
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You guys read the hand? Folding preflop is a huge mistake, he is getting 16:3. Hand is played fine, bet the river and except to usually win when called and probably fold to raise
What range do you have UTG+1 on that it's a huge mistake? And as a follow up, what hands do you fold versus that range getting 16:3?
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Old 07-21-2012, 01:56 PM   #10
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

prophet you can easily look up some equities vs any LAG or super nit range, 16:3 is a ridiculous price, I play any 2 cards here
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:01 PM   #11
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I would defend only with a big overlay from CO poster but I would not c/r this flop.
Seems like you and DD are in a slight disagreement about flop - could you share why you think kr is not optimal/good?
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:08 PM   #12
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prophet you can easily look up some equities vs any LAG or super nit range, 16:3 is a ridiculous price, I play any 2 cards here
really? it's basically like 5:1, like someone opens, small blind coldcalls, we're in big blind. i fold a fair amount of stuff there
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Seems like you and DD are in a slight disagreement about flop - could you share why you think kr is not optimal/good?
you should say why you did c/r, as well, i think
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Old 07-21-2012, 02:14 PM   #14
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Re: 60 live, river spot #2

Easy bet. If raised probably fold but there are a few people I could convince myself to call against if the situation warrented it. If you arent planning to bet this river you shouldnt bet the turn. In fact going c/r flop, check/call this turn is a very good line imo.
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really? it's basically like 5:1, like someone opens, small blind coldcalls, we're in big blind. i fold a fair amount of stuff there
Your equity is higher heads-up versus 3-handed so I get that difference, but I was basically just wanting to hear that DD would play any two in this spot. That's all.
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