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02-12-2017 , 09:50 AM
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1. If you're in late, and the small is three towning any ace, and the small calls, how infrequently/lite should you go to four?

2. Same as #1, only BB calls.

3. You're CO, and are 3-bet by someone liable to be as light as any ace, QJ, QT, maybe even Q9 and a few suited boners, you 4-bet with what, and how frequently?
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02-12-2017 , 08:03 PM
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1. If you're in late, and the small is three towning any ace, and the small calls, how infrequently/lite should you go to four?
2. Same as #1, only BB calls.
Not sure what what this means. Is the SB calling or 3betting and if calling how can we raise?

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3. You're CO, and are 3-bet by someone liable to be as light as any ace, QJ, QT, maybe even Q9 and a few suited boners, you 4-bet with what, and how frequently?
Nothing, no matter how suited their boner is.
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02-12-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Not sure what what this means. Is the SB calling or 3betting and if calling how can we raise?
3betting w naked ace. Do you ever 4 it w a slight dog like KQ?
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02-12-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Nothing, no matter how suited their boner is.
Not even your big pairs, and AK? I find that hard to believe.
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02-12-2017 , 08:15 PM
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It's so crazy it just might work!
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02-12-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Not even your big pairs, and AK? I find that hard to believe.
I don't 4b anything HU. It's a game of information and equities change drastically on the flop.
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02-12-2017 , 09:47 PM
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It's so crazy it just might work!
Multiple personalities, lol.
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02-12-2017 , 10:10 PM
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This thread is wierd.
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02-13-2017 , 06:30 AM
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You use a lot of weird lingo.
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02-13-2017 , 06:31 AM
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maybe even Q9 and a few suited boners
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02-13-2017 , 12:56 PM
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This thread is wierd.
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You use a lot of weird lingo.
I just learned how to spell weird.
Last edited by PaulValente; 02-13-2017 at 12:57 PM. Reason: So at least someone got something out of this thread.
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02-13-2017 , 03:28 PM
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It's weird to have a 4bet range apparently.
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02-13-2017 , 04:14 PM
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It's weird to have a 4bet range apparently.
Think about why you want a 4b range and what it costs you.
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02-13-2017 , 04:40 PM
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Think about why you want a 4b range and what it costs you.
I want to get max values out of my strong hands without tipping my hand.
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02-13-2017 , 04:58 PM
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You can't 6b AA if you don't 4b AA.
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02-13-2017 , 05:26 PM
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You can't 6b AA if you don't 4b AA.
You've never 6bet w less than AA against a poor player? I have.
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02-13-2017 , 05:26 PM
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I want to get max values out of my strong hands without tipping my hand.
Then consider delaying to flop with your strongest hands when HU. Especially vs opponents with high flop continuation bet rates. That's a lot easier way to get to 6b than preflop.

If it's three ways and i was original raiser/oop, i won't 4b for same reasons.
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02-13-2017 , 05:30 PM
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I 3bet w TcTs just now against the HJ, he 4bet, I 5bet, he calls QhJh5h flop, I bet, he folds. 20/40

Haha, he did not have KK I assure you.
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02-13-2017 , 05:39 PM
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I guess sometimes I play maniac, and other times normal and call 3. Mostly maniac.
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02-13-2017 , 08:39 PM
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I 3bet w TcTs just now against the HJ, he 4bet, I 5bet, he calls QhJh5h flop, I bet, he folds. 20/40

Haha, he did not have KK I assure you.
So what did he have? Anything he had you probably would have preferred he 4 bets pre you call and he keeps firing and you don't fold postflop.

You seem to be new in the forum, you are probably crushing live 20/40 and you have figured out being quite tight and super aggro works well against the muppets you play against. Congrats. It doesn't work so well against high limit players with a brain, if you have ambition of beating them you are going to have to consider you don't know everything. I've had 50 students like you.
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02-13-2017 , 09:27 PM
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I 4 bet strong hands heads up out of position vs maniacs but I consider this to be an exception to the rule.
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02-13-2017 , 09:59 PM
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I've had 50 students
Sick brag
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02-13-2017 , 10:13 PM
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Sick brag
If they were like this yahoo, it sounds awful.
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02-16-2017 , 09:37 PM
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The worse the player the more I'm 4 betting
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03-02-2017 , 09:20 PM
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LOL


in all seriousness, if he's that apesh*t, getting him into a "tiltfest 4bet/5bet/6bet/7bet" dynamic can be really good. i do start 4betting light, attempting to show some bs hands down and get him to start 5betting so I can start 6betting. Getting good at establishing this type of metagame w\ certain player types can open the doors to earn the right to go 12 bets preflop with monster hands vs massive whales. It's a rare beast, and I only do it vs tilt monkeys who have control issues.

but yea, it's a hilarious exploitative polarization minigame to play with maniacs.
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