Funny. I'd assume anyone who didn't peel 89 on a T52 was probably one of the worst players at the table

funny. i'd assume very little about the person based on that fold.

Agree to an extent but not sure if I'd 3 bet 98s on button vs LJ (BTN+3).

Also might be atrocious to 3 bet 98s on Button in Bovada 30/60 vs BTN+3 unknown.

Liquidated my assets on Bovada due to liquidity issues I've heard/had on Bovada so no idea how LAG Bovada 30/60 still is.

I imagine games are still amazing and very LAG.

Let's try to keep it civil and criticize plays not people.


@ maka: the discussion is HJ opening 78/79/89s, BTN 3b PF, barrels 25Tr, and whether HJ should float OOP.

That was what I was referring to phunkphish. Whether to 3 bet preflop is as I stated in previous post, atrocious in my opinion in the Bovada 30/60 games vs an unknown.

However, I agree with ZOMG_RIGGED that not peeling 98s vs a flop c/r is atrocious on a T52 rainbow board.

Maybe I have too many bad habits from playing HUHU and 3 handed as a Prop online but this is Bovada where the game is VERY LAG/Maniac level aggressive.

I consider Bovada to have one of the best Online LHE games ever except maybe UB/AP pre merger. Only problem is getting cash in and out on Bovada is too difficult.

I've heard on individuals in US getting 5 figure wire withdrawals frozen. Thankfully wasn't me.

Since we are sharing our feelings, the opinion of someone who considers 3betting AJ atrocious is IMO completely irrelevant to (at least) the rest of the hand.

Afaik Bovada is currently among the best ranked sites when it comes to cashing out.

I don't get it. This hand is super standard and an easy easy call on the river. Folding is probably a disaster vs a random player in this game and it's certainly a game theory disaster.

Poor reading comprehension on my part. I 3 bet AJ on button every time or at the very least on Bovada.

I thought someone was asking what to do if we 3 bet 98s preflop on the button and the LJ (BTN+3) check raises on T52 rainbow flop.

Sorry for the confusion. I know people who had 5-6 figures frozen on AP so hesitant to leave cash on Bovada after hearing several individuals experience issues cashing out. I'd rather be risk averse I guess since Poker isn't my main source of income anymore.

Didn't really think anyone is being uncivil. It could be Ned's non-insulting position that someone who makes this peel is a huge loser of $ in a game and ZOMG believes that someone who doesn't peel is a bad player. It didn't make me mad to read either statement. "Someone who does X is bad at poker" doesn't seem offensive to me. Even if I'm someone who does X.

The potentially offensive statement would be "phunk, you're bad at poker because you do Y". People who I respect have told me that, and I'd be too busy trying to fix stuff wrong with my play to really take the time to get angry.

I apologize if I came across as aggressive in my post. I was just stating my opinion because to me the hand in the 80-160 felt obvious and I see how it could come across as a blunt/impatient response. The debate itself is definitely helpful though as it makes one question his own play and be more aware of seemingly obvious plays that maybe aren't as obvious one may think.

The opener is LJ, not HJ. That's BTN+3, UTG in a 6-handed game. Makes ranges a bit narrower than if opener were HJ.

(I'd still call river as BTN and peel flop with 98s as LJ. But I don't think doing the opposite is nearly as bad as some would make it out to be.)