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09-12-2014 , 11:19 PM

CrazyLond

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Loose passive player raises utg 9 handed. Loose passive player cold calls otb. I call QThh from sb. Solid player folds bb.

Flop Q84ccd.

I check utg bets button raises I call utg calls.

Turn 4h

I bet.

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09-12-2014 , 11:29 PM

Mubsy Bogues

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I usually just call down here. What's the plan if you get raised?

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09-13-2014 , 12:45 AM

KitCloudkicker

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fold pre b/c you are OOP vs two players who have better hands than you

fold flop because you are probably beat and if you are beat in two places you will lose massive bets

dont donk turn, although i guess its sort of meaningless b/c loose passives wont raise you were without a full house

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09-13-2014 , 12:51 AM

Jon_locke

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3 bet flop. If utg folds and button caps I'd 5 bet. If utg calls or caps if slow down.

Pf is close, but I lean towards calling vs most people in that

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09-13-2014 , 12:09 PM

DeathDonkey

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I think flop call is reasonable but turn donk is incongruous. Either keep checking or just 3 bet flop. It reminds me of when people are up against a guy who likes to FSDR, they like to call turn raise and donk blank rivers. It's still better to 3 bet the turn, it's more dangerous but it's more profitable.

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09-13-2014 , 01:44 PM

CrazyLond

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Mubsy: I plan to fold to raise from either spot on turn.

DD: I thought my hand's chances of being best improved a lot when utg only called. I felt like I gained information I didn't have when I decided not to 3 bet flop. I felt like flop was close between call and raise and the additional information tipped the balance towards me needing to take aggressive action.

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09-13-2014 , 01:58 PM

MacauBound

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I think preflop is fine if you think villains are bad postflop, but when the loose passive raises UTG, you could be in bad shape unless you flop hard.

Flop call ok, though there might be value in 3! as there aren't too many draws you are cc flop with, so the flop call doesn't really hide any more info.

Turn doesn't look good bc you aren't repping a 4?? As played, I would just plan to call down.

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09-15-2014 , 12:06 AM

phunkphish

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Pre is close. If villains play bad and predictably post flop, it's fine. Flop: I fold here against loose passives. If BTN is the type to overcall pre, he's also the type to not raise this flop with JJ- or QT. So, that means BTN either has our Q dominated or is on a strong Flush/combo Draw. UTG still might have us beat. Oh, yeah, and were OOP. Bad equity, bad position - give up

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09-15-2014 , 12:15 AM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

+1. Turn donk makes no sense.

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09-16-2014 , 10:33 PM

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Steve00007

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

+1

This is the way I feel about this hand. I'm okay with pf against these villains but I'd think that BTN has a strong range here and I wouldn't feel good about this spot after the BTN raised.

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09-17-2014 , 12:09 PM

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steveistheman84

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3bet flop. as played, plan on calling down.

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