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Originally Posted by ChocolateMoo
Maybe bet/folding half our range, or bet/calling with some of our range, isn't nearly as bad as giving 100+ combos of 5 -15 outers a free look at the river.
Not always imo.
When you take a line to bet/fold you better be sure to be right because losing the pot is very costly when you have the best hand.
We often use the principle of : better lose a bet by betting the turn than lose the pot by failing to bet and giving a free card that cost you the pot at the end.
But imo we use this principle when we actually have to call down.
Not as an excuse to bet the turn and fold like half our range ( unless of course you have solid reads vs your opponents).
I mean if its bad of failing to bet the turn and losing the pot on the river due to a free card, than it must be aweful to bet and folding wrongly , giving not only the pot but a bet as well on top of that.
Bet/folding half your range would be very exploitable and you could suffer from it.
Now about how many outs your opponent have, yes it sucks but the pot is 11,5 sb and you need to bet 2sb on the turn.
Your opponent needs around 9outs minimum out to have 2 sb value in the pot .
Giving a free card to have a 5 outers sucks but is it worth it to risk 2sb to protect from a hand that has 5/6 outs agaisnt us ( which is worth only like 1.2sb for our opponent) when we have to fold it ?
If it was a small portion of our range with QQ , i would not have a problem to bet/folding it but here , we have so many other hands that would benefit more using this line of bet/fold , i would rather use QQ with another line to play with it.
And only 2 other line is present , to bet/call and play poker on the river with a hand hard to play because it is midling strengh hand once we get raised or to check and have a pretty good hand on the river with the line we took ( yes it is easy , we have a very strong bluff catcher hand so easy call down ).
I favored the second option because having a good hand on the river by checking makes it much easier for me to play at the end.
In decent size pot, i like to play hand where i minimise my mistake while bet/calling here with QQ on the turn would put me in a hard spot on the river.
Last edited by Montrealcorp; 09-11-2016 at 05:12 PM.