20/40 9 handed LHE. Hero is viewed on the tight side and showing the goods when betting and raising. Hero coldcalled 2 bets on the flop with OESD and binked on the turn. Raised the turn and 3 players folded. No SD. Hasn't bluffed all night. Not even a semi-bluff.

Villain #1 is a delusional fish on a heater. She has been winning lately because she just 3 bets in position and weaker players fold to her. She seriously has preflop hand selection leaks. (eg: She will 3 bet 66 with 3 limpers and a raiser. Cold calls with weak ace...offsuit)

Villain #2 is an old player who just plays his hand and check/calls all the way down. Never Cbets. Will chase draws. Never know what he has because he never raises or 3 bets.

Hero limps UTG with A8. Villain #1 raises and Villain #2 calls in the BB and hero calls.

FLOP

JT3

hero c/cs Villains #1 CBet. Villain #2 comes along.

TURN

8

hero checks again....Is this a good time to C/R? Villain #1 would definitely call with AK,AQ,KQ,KJ types of hands and 3 bet with perhaps over pair but this board looks like it hit heros range pretty well. Flopped 2 pair, J9, even a set. If Hero C/Rs then villain #2 might be stuck in there for only 1 more bet.

Is it better to donk the turn, hoping villain #1 would raise so villain #2 cant coldcall 2? Or should I just C/C and try to bink the river?

c/r'ing turn would be terrible. i'm having trouble reading the action too- maybe try and simplify your post?

Your operating under the assumption that those hands you would be getting value from would bet this turn. You hold an Ace, so that takes away some combos. This is not a spot to use your tight image since better hands aren't folding and you may be value owning yourself, especially if somebody decides to 3 bet. You take away any Opportunity to pick off a river bluff.

I would play your hand like a good draw. Maintain your implied odds instead of putting in money potentially bad on the turn. There are too many dangerous river cards that can beat your vulnerable made hand.

What would be your plan if both players called your CR on the turn and a blank rolled off?

You may now be ahead, if not you just picked up more outs. Anything other than betting the turn would be a mistake IMO.

Why is this better than letting villain barrel off w/ her whatever?

Hello fold preflop my old friend

Yep. And if you must play it, just raise it up. I could even see an argument for raising preflop given who is in the BB. But probably it's just a fold 9 handed.

As played, c/c turn, ton of her range beats you, as well as his. I may have raised the flop though. Planning to bet all the way and maybe they fold AK/AQ on the river.

Because of the presumption she will always be barreling off...

But I also misread OP. Thought you C/R flop, which I would always do in this spot.

Why?

Because I believe you would have enough equity against their range of hands to make it profitable.

Turn brick you bet they call

River brick you...?

Yes your equity is good, but guess what? It's far better when you continue to afford them the opportunity to bluff at the board.

Depends on the specifics of the bricks. Why do u presume theyre holdings are weaker than our A hi, and why do you presume that they will keep firing w them? Do you plan on calling down UI here?

How does your opponents range play against your check raise, versus your check call. What percentage of his range is x/r beneficial against? 77-99 exactly?

Questions with questions?

Putting ketchup on your hot dog is a faux pas why exactly?

Idkkkk....If I play A8ss UTG, it's because I'm coming in for a raise...Makes the rest of the hand easier

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Not a good reason to take a particular line.

Not a good reason, but he is correct that A8s is just way better to play for a raise.

If I'm playing in a fishfest or with a barrage of dusty old nits who won't cold call me into oblivion, I might raise A8s UTG. In a moderate to tough game, it's a fold. Hero might be able to raise this if his image is "no set no bet" anyway, if his opponents are paying attention and will adjust at even a reasonable level (even most mediocre live regs can tell the difference between a rock and a loose aggrobot).

I think it is...If you are going to play weak/speculative hands like this, your reads and post flop play needs to be spot on to turn a profit

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What LessLurk is referring to is that there's a third option: fold.

Yes, this hand plays better for a raise than a call. But just because a hand plays better for a raise than a call, doesn't mean we should raise it. K5o UTG also plays better for a raise than it does a call, but that doesn't mean we should raise it.

I completely agree...That's why I said "if" I am to play to play this hand utg I'm coming in for a raise.

I was shedding light to the fact that if you are to play weak hands for whatever reason (meta game, table dynamics, table image) I think it's really tough to make money without being the pre flop aggressor. Playing a weak hand, out of position, passively is a disaster waiting to happen....

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You'd rather be in a game where limping A8s UTG is correct than one where raising it is the correct play. If you were in a game where limping was good, you'd know it pretty quickly. In that game, you wouldn't get isolated and be sandwiched between the BB and the PFR all that often. So, sad results or wrong game conditions? Jury is out on that.