Originally Posted by lawdude

I don't want to get into a big-time mathematical discussion here, but while I might agree somewhat about the BB, with respect to UTG+1, this sort of comment is exactly the sort of thing that makes me suspicious of the issue of "balance" in multiway games.

There are strong mathematical reasons why GTO bots have not been invented that solve multi-way games, and this is one of them.

I don't care what anyone's idea of "balance" is, the idea that you are better off cold-calling UTG+1 (which, by the way, as ANY no limit player will tell you, ALSO announces that you have a strong hand), especially when there really isn't anything that should be in your range besides really strong hands that you can profitably play for "balance" anyway, and where you create huge multi-way playability issues for your hand, seems completely wrong.

Multi-way poker creates situations where your ranges have to be so narrow that little balancing is possible. One of the reasons GTO bots have been able to precisely balance play in heads up games is because ranges are wide enough to allow for it.

I can say with 100 percent certainty that in a full ring limit poker game, it is neither profitable nor possible to obtain any sort of positive EV from seeking "balance" in your UTG+1 range against a TAG UTG opener. Balance is irrelevant to this situation; if you love balancing, go play heads up or shorthanded or save it for situations in your full ring games when it is appropriate.

Originally Posted by plz fold

UTG opens, Hero flats AA UTG+2,

Originally Posted by BigBadBabar

he was talking about in NL

Originally Posted by Chasqui

This flat makes the baby Jesus cry. You need to minraise here.

Originally Posted by plz fold

V1 is a TAGgy prop. V2 is laggy pro (not prop AFAIK).

UTG opens, Hero flats UTG+2, 3 others call, V2 flats in BB.
There were a couple steaming fish to my left so I wanted them in at any cost

Flop: Q77
UTG bets, Hero flats, folds to BB who raises, UTG 3!, Hero flats, BB caps, UTG flats, Hero flats.

V2's first raise can be any queen and V1 has like 0 sevens in his range right? After the 4! I'm pretty sure I'm full house mining though.

Turn: 6
BB bets, UTG calls, Hero calls

Bad call? Good call? Not getting right price to full house mine but maybe I'm good 5% of the time anyway?

River: Q
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero folds, BB calls

River is obv worst card to hero call so I think I make a standard laydown.