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01-07-2015 , 02:15 PM

SunChips

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20/40 HOSE game, my first time playing with V. He's tight, super agro. Saw him bring in and barrel down every street in stud with 22 face up and get called by wired 33 which was good. He knows what he's doing, but I think his aggression is over the top.

I came over to this game from 5/10nl, so I think V thinks I know what i'm doing. (little does he know...)

Hand: Folds to hero on the button, I open KhQc, V 3-bets the BB.

Board runs out Q 10h 8h J Ah with him betting every street and me calling. Should I have put a raise in somewhere?

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01-07-2015 , 03:04 PM

lawdude

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Well you are definitely ahead of his range on the flop and the turn, so you could have raised either street.

Having said that, your play wasn't bad either. Allowing super-aggressive players to keep barreling when you have a strong hand is sometimes a +EV play, especially if putting in a raise may allow him to get away from his hand.

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01-07-2015 , 03:34 PM

SunChips

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That's kind of what I figured... The way I played the hand was the same way I would play it in NL for the most part vs. this type of V.

I don't know how wide an agro 3-bet range from the blinds is in limit though vs. my button open range.

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01-07-2015 , 04:06 PM

steveistheman84

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raise/call river.

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01-07-2015 , 04:19 PM

Man of Means

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Originally Posted by steveistheman84

raise/call river.

This, for sure, given the way the rest of the hand was played. Villain doesn't have many flushes in his pf 3b range (they would be two cards Q or lower), and if he does, then his wide range will also include a lot of other random stuff.

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01-07-2015 , 05:45 PM

lawdude

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Yeah, I think raise-calling the river is correct.

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01-07-2015 , 07:38 PM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by lawdude

Yeah, I think raise-calling the river is correct.

Agreed.

I actually like the flop/turn play, if not done all the time (occasionally handing someone the rope is a good play from time to time, I know I've flopped boards like AQT against a maniac's 3 bet when holding AK and simply let him barrel).

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01-08-2015 , 03:46 AM

Mubsy Bogues

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I'm usually raising the flop. If I don't, I'm probably raising the turn. If I don't, I'm raising the river - and calling a 3-bet.

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01-08-2015 , 11:19 AM

phunkphish

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Wow. Turn raise would be super wide. We have like a bajillion better combos to vbet. Any 9 any 2p -- sets or big straights. Q7hh might even be a better vbet combo.

Flop call is standard to raise SAFE turns.

River raise is easy, esp since we have Kh

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01-08-2015 , 11:27 AM

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SqredII

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At first I thought you played it a little passively, but the more I think about it I like your line against this player type a lot. As long as he called your river raise I don't think you lost any value.

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01-08-2015 , 12:15 PM

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SunChips

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Spoiler:

I'm kind of curious about the right line if I were in villains shoes...

What do you think of villains line on the turn? Should villain be betting the turn with the hand he had? Check/call? Bet/call? Bet/fold?

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01-08-2015 , 12:45 PM

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lawdude

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Originally Posted by SunChips

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In my experience, most players have real problems with playing hands they three bet out of position heads-up in this exact situation. They default to 2 barreling everything, rather than having a checking range on the turn (which can then be divided into a check-raise, check-call, and check-fold range).

Against a decent opponent, I probably would have just called pre-flop if I were the villain. But if I had 3-bet (say, because I was in the small blind rather than the big blind), the turn is a great card to check-call. But, your read was the villain is too aggressive, so of course he did not do that.

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01-08-2015 , 01:35 PM

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Mubsy Bogues

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Originally Posted by Mubsy Bogues

I'm usually raising the flop. If I don't, I'm probably raising the turn. If I don't, I'm raising the river - and calling a 3-bet.

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

Wow. Turn raise would be super wide. We have like a bajillion better combos to vbet. Any 9 any 2p -- sets or big straights. Q7hh might even be a better vbet combo.

Oops I misread the board, I didn't realize 9 made a straight. I would call turn.

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01-08-2015 , 04:53 PM

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chillrob

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I probably would have raised the flop, can't swear it is right for this villain though.

Not sure there is a lot of value in raising the river, even though you likely have the best hand. Will he even pay off with a hand like the one he had? Seems like he would probably fold it.

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01-08-2015 , 05:36 PM

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lawdude

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Originally Posted by chillrob

Maybe not, but the villain has some sets, weaker straights, and top 2 pair in his range, right? And those hands may call.

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01-09-2015 , 11:13 PM

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Poogs

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I play it the same but raise and call the river for sure

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01-21-2015 , 02:19 PM

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Poogs

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lol

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01-21-2015 , 02:50 PM

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SunChips

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