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Old 08-06-2012, 11:27 PM   #16
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Re: 15/30 LHE: Game speed snap fold line check

^^ Right, I get that. It was similar in the sense that it might have involved the same villains, I picked up the two pair, and they were betting out on the flop. Just another data point for consideration. (And SB would probably play both hands the same way, BTW.)

I'm not saying OP shouldn't have folded. Although I would have raised on the flop (and stupidly, I probably would have called it down, in game speed anyway).
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:49 PM   #17
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Re: 15/30 LHE: Game speed snap fold line check

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Funny, I played a very similar hand at that same table, and I think it might have been against the same two villains. One (V1) was the tighter older guy with the baseball cap and the white beard; the other (V2) was the also-older-but-very-loose guy with the glasses, gray hair and foreign accent.

In my hand, V1 raised from UTG, V2 cold-called from LP, and I called from the BB with KT (possibly suited). Flop came AKT rainbow.

I bet out, V1 raised, and V2 re-raised. I made a mistake here, and just called, as did V1. Turn was a blank, V1 checked, V2 bet again, and I called again (second mistake.) River was a J, V1 bet, V2 raised, and I finally folded, it being obvious that someone had a Q.

As it turned out, both villains were betting aggressively with one pair and the straight draw (AQ and KQ), and I was ahead until the river.
My BTN player matches your description of V1. Not sure about my SB. I know both of my villains by name but obviously I can't type them in a public forum.

It seems call or raise the cbet is fine just to see what BTN does. BTN seems to have the narrowest range. I think the way I played it, I can't two cold given 1:10 pot odds hoping and praying BTN doesn't reopen the action by 3betting. I'm most likely behind, I have four very tainted outs (two A's and two Q's), and if I do call I must fold turn UI since I'll never get the proper odds on the turn.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:31 PM   #18
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Re: 15/30 LHE: Game speed snap fold line check

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nice hand. dont show neighbor next time.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:18 PM   #19
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Re: 15/30 LHE: Game speed snap fold line check

I feel TTHRIC.

A J or a T (can't recall) arrived on the turn. Had I called the flop bet (or bets), I wouldave folded on the turn anyways. River was a meaningless low card. The action went bet/call and bet/call on the turn/river. SB flopped the nut straight and BTN has exactly my hand, AQ for two pair, except offsuit.
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Old 08-08-2012, 11:56 PM   #20
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Re: 15/30 LHE: Game speed snap fold line check

Bad advice ITT, IMO. Not sure how we are being so MUBsy against the SB (as described, he sounds bad). Even if the BTN is actually nitty, he has less possible combos of AA/KK/QQ/AK (11) than AQ/JJ/TT (16). I'm raising the SB's flop bet and not giving TT/JJ the odds to call, but slowing down if the BTN does call or raise.
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Old 08-09-2012, 12:13 PM   #21
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Re: 15/30 LHE: Game speed snap fold line check

Yikes. Raise the flop the first time around.

As played, don't show your neighbor your cards when you muck.
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