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Originally Posted by KzrSoze
...He could 3bet fairly lightly there: KQ, KJs, KTs, JTs, QJ, 77, 88, and TT seem like the possibilities.
I would hardly characterize the hands you listed as 3b'ing light. I would be opening HJ with 44+, and expect an aggressive BTN to iso 3b with 55+, many suited aces, and many worse SCs down to 67s.
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I lose to AA, AK, AQ, AJ, and ATs; a flop check-raise helps me determine whether he's got one of those hands. Him not 3betting the flop ...
A flop x/r does not determine anything. He will be calling the flop x/r with most of his continuing range. Him not 3b'ing flop doesn't mean crap. You've turned a showdown hand into a bluff -- this is bad. Consider which parts of his range you can get value from, and which hands you can bluff. You should be targeting the range you can get value from with this hands.
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Does anyone like 4 betting pf? I figure our hand smashes a fair amount of pro's 3 betting range here, no?
Not in a cash game, but in a tournament, it has merit. FE is so much more important than squeezing EV and accepting variance.
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I think I'd rather call down readless.
I would argue that in this particular spot you should also call down with your weakest aces...
I'm pretty sure call-down is bad given this flop and this turn. When we call this turn, we are announcing to the pro that we have a showdown hand. Very rarely at this point do we have a hand that folds to a 3rd barrel. Villain should see this, and play rivers perfectly against us. If villain is snug, I would x/c turn and x/f river. If villain is aggressive, I would plan to (x/r turn, decide river), or (x/c turn, donk river) with most of my range. Neither option is that appealing, but still preferable to (x/call turn, x river).