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06-10-2015 , 02:14 PM
Straightforward reg opens MP, button cold calls and I call J9o bb,

Fop is 9c 5c 2d

I check and MP bets button calls. I call (prob close but MP Chet's very rarely and when he does here it's a pretty strong hand, unlikely he bets AK for instance).

At this point, MP shows his cards to neighbor and says look at this hand.

The turn is the Js...
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06-10-2015 , 02:28 PM
I'd check raise and call down to more action. Though you're at the top of your range, which argues for bet 3 bet, I prefer to play in tempo on this turn card with my whole range because of MP's strong range.
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06-10-2015 , 02:29 PM
I check called, but can easily be convinced it's wrong.

If he didn't show his neighbor his cards I would cr turn
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06-10-2015 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
I check called, but can easily be convinced it's wrong.

If he didn't show his neighbor his cards I would cr turn
Yeah that makes me think you're up against a set. I'm not really sure what else would spark someone to say 'take a look at this hand'. Unless he spewed preflop and is proudly showing his 52 or 95 that got there on the flop.
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06-10-2015 , 02:54 PM
If you're gonna use tells, you gotta consider his body language over the past 30 seconds. Is it congruent with his normal mannerisms? Did he bet the same way he usually does? If yes, then I might like the check call. If no, I still check raise because the possibility that he could hold something like JTcc, 87cc, A4cc, KQcc, QJcc, KJcc, A6cc, A7cc, A8cc, ATcc, AJcc, AQcc, AKcc, A9, TT, QQ, KK, and AA, seems to far outweigh the chance we got coolered by the <9 combos of sets he should have based on his description.
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06-10-2015 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Breich
Yeah that makes me think you're up against a set. I'm not really sure what else would spark someone to say 'take a look at this hand'. Unless he spewed preflop and is proudly showing his 52 or 95 that got there on the flop.
Ac3c, 5c6c, 6c7c, the rare but fun to play 3c4c. In my experience the check out this hand sweat tends to be combo draws far more often than overpair
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06-10-2015 , 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
In my experience the check out this hand sweat tends to be combo draws far more often than overpair
The turn didn't bring in a flush or straight...so how is your read congruous with your action?
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06-10-2015 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Ac3c, 5c6c, 6c7c, the rare but fun to play 3c4c. In my experience the check out this hand sweat tends to be combo draws far more often than overpair
I agree 100%. So I would raise on the turn.
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06-10-2015 , 03:54 PM
Wow sorry, the turn was the Jc, OP is a pretty boring spot,

Board is 9c 5c 2d Jc
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06-10-2015 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Ac3c, 5c6c, 6c7c, the rare but fun to play 3c4c. In my experience the check out this hand sweat tends to be combo draws far more often than overpair
"you had too many outs. " - sweater consoling sweatee.
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06-10-2015 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Wow sorry, the turn was the Jc, OP is a pretty boring spot,

Board is 9c 5c 2d Jc
Oh, in this case just call down.
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06-10-2015 , 06:23 PM
w/ the jc, i might bet/calldown. to answer "what would some dude at a poker table show his neighbor" it's much more likely to NOT be a set than to be a set lol. could be anything from the (now made) flush draw, AK, AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99 (and you have blockers to both J and 9 obv). i think your hand is a bit too strong here vs. this guy's range to just check call down:

Equity Win Tie
MP2 35.72% 35.72% 0.00% 88+, 55, A9s, AcKc, AcQc, KcQc, AcJc, AcTc, KcTc, Kc9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, A9o, AdKc, AhKc, AsKc, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs
BB 64.28% 64.28% 0.00% Jd9s

i even removed 77/66 from his betting the turn range though i think he'd definitely do that and then likely check the river.

the issue though is that he's probably checking most of those big clubs; however, even if you remove them ALL, the fact that he can have so many pairs = gotta play a bit more aggressively:

MP2 38.41% 38.41% 0.00% 88+, 55, A9s, AcKc, AcQc, KcQc, AcJc, AcTc, KcTc, Kc9c, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, A9o
BB 61.59% 61.59% 0.00% Jd9s
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06-11-2015 , 10:24 AM
I'd still c/r the turn. I don't think your read is strong enough to alter your play of this part of your range.
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06-11-2015 , 11:13 AM
context matters, like how long have you played with MP, is MP friendly with his neighbor, has MP been running good or running bad. if the tone was "look at this hand im about to turn a 40 bb downswing into a 50 bb downswing" it could easily be something like red tens. the less MP knows his neighbor, the more likely its the nutted part of the range.

in a vacuum i think he has A2cc or something and i want to fold but i would checkcall because lol limit
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06-11-2015 , 01:31 PM
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the less MP knows his neighbor, the more likely its the nutted part of the range.
great point. i didn't think of that.
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06-12-2015 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Straightforward reg opens MP, button cold calls and I call J9o bb,

Fop is 9c 5c 2d

I check and MP bets button calls. I call (prob close but MP Chet's very rarely and when he does here it's a pretty strong hand, unlikely he bets AK for instance).

At this point, MP shows his cards to neighbor and says look at this hand.

The turn is the Js...
Yeah I agree with your read. I think MP has a flush a lot. Maybe always. On that board what else would he be trying to show his neighbor?
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06-12-2015 , 11:44 PM
80% of the times I try to use a physical read I just either get reverse or reverse-reverse telled and/or they were on level 1 the whole time. I just throw them mostly out the window unless it's super obvious. I would c/r the turn.
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06-13-2015 , 01:13 AM
Yea, I'm not one to try and pick up tells or anything like that. Just a spot I came across where reg is a guy I'm friendly with and really enjoys being at the casino, and I tend to think the help sweat this in with me mentality is far more common with hands that need to be sweated in (mainly flush draws) than hands like AA here.
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06-16-2015 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DosXX
80% of the times I try to use a physical read I just either get reverse or reverse-reverse telled and/or they were on level 1 the whole time. I just throw them mostly out the window unless it's super obvious. I would c/r the turn.
80% would seem high. Are you sure it's not just that you feel so super dumb when you mistakenly change course because of a "tell?" Personally, I'm not sure I really notice the ones I get right but I sit and curse my name for half a day when I give up money on a bad one.
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06-17-2015 , 01:08 PM
"look at this hand" - I find it's more likely to be a hand that risks not being shown down at the end.

Also, when it's three handed like here, it's less likely to be a manipulative gesture. It's more likely to be a manipulative gesture headsup.
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