What strategy adjustments are necessary when adjusting to a 5 bet cap?

Do certain trendy internet strategies such as never 3-betting/4-betting hu pre, calling a flop 3bet hu planning to raise the turn, 3-betting/4-betting light pre, etc. lose value or become clearly bad?

What new strategies become viable with a 5 bet cap that are bad with a 4 bet cap?

Does a 5 bet cap increase or decrease a skillful player's edge?

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Please contribute even if you are not sure you are right. Thanks!

I just realized that when there is a 5 bet cap, there is also often no cap hu. Some of my questions involved hu pots. So please talk about that too. Thanks!

the 5 bet cap has to help your winrate as a skillful player. also the no cap hu is nice vs recreational players.

Your potential cost of taking deceptive lines goes up as the cap is higher or goes away. As you point out, not 3 betting out of position can cost you multiple spew bets. Also, some players are willing to go wild preflop but unwilling post, so it is your possible action street.

In my experience, the lower cap actually encourages capping/raising. I've played in 6 bet cap game and 5 bet cap games, and the 4 bet games have more capping. I used to think it the California thing, when faced with a 3 bet the limper or new player just puts in a WTF cap. When we had 6 bet caps, that never happened. Knowing that you can 3 bet and have it come back 3 more bets to you adds some caution. If you three bet and can only face one raise, you can be more crazy.

The 5 bet and unlimited bet games increase your edge. It lets a fish make a NL quality mistake against you. Since you never make a mistake reading the nuts on the board, you'll never make the same mistake. You might make a thin 6 and kick yourself calling a 7, but you're never going to just throw your whole stack in stone-dead with the 3rd nuts. It doesn't happen often, but stacking a guy for 20+ bets is huge.

You make more money when you have the nuts.

for sure gives u more of an edge, also it dose seem that live players make more crazy calls/raises. The great thing about uncapped is that u Can keep riaseing it when u have nut, and slow. It down when u don't.

I don't think it's ever correct to 5b preflop hu (optimally), and probably rarely multi-way.

I think the biggest impact of the 5b cap is felt on the flop. There are many multiway situations where you may raise the flop ip without an equity edge for a few reasons. In all of these situations, I would contend it is correct to cap 100% of the time if your raise is 3bet in a 4cap game. In a 5cap game, this certainly is not the case.

unlimited HU bets with a fish or being able to 5bet nuts on the river is nice, feels great when you get to do it, but should happen rarely enough that I think it would have a negligible impact on overall expectation.

There are plays where one 4-bets the flop or turn that can't be as easily used when the cap is higher. At times one more or less needs to wait till turn with the power plays. As a combined style, one might use a delayed play in a 4-gap game too, though better to use both styles when it's possible.

merge fixed limit is no cap heads ups , i had a guy reraise me back and forth over 30 times when i held nuts vs his one pair and missed draw. so there is def value in a fixed limit game with no cap heads up. people sometimes do some really dumb things.

I love this feature on merge. On numerous occasions really bad players just hand you more money than would be the case with 4 bet max.

Have you ever been 5+ bet when you have the nuts in a limit game? the closest I got was 4 and it was runner runner flush and the other player had king high?

I often see people not betting aces on dry boards on the turn and river HU

I think I need to start playing with worse people. . .

It provides an additional reason to have a spewy dynamic with your opponents. If you can convince some people that you don't always have the goods with your raises, you might wind up getting them to over-adjust for large profit. If you're the guy who carefully doesn't 3 bet anything OOP and then waits to the turn to get that half bet out of your opponent, you could be missing out on some big NL-style implied odds. Being that tilt-inducing LAG cold really pay off, assuming that you're playing opponents who will tilt and go off later. It is something to think about in the "should I 4 bet light" equation.

Against someone good, this is all a waste of time/money...

Have played more and more on sites which offer unlimited bets HU and its a strange dynamic sometimes but lol you can get it in good for a bunch of bets. The funniest hand I won was 10/20$ at a site where I had JJ and flop came J72 with turn J and river like 8 of clubs and we put in 12 bets on the river (it was 4 clubs) and he had only Ax of clubs for the nutsflush.

Not the same if you are just talking about 5bets on each street but still, I am just saying that peoples 5betting-range in some spots are probably not as tight as you would assume...

The only unlimited games I've played have been live, which doesn't happen very often. I do remember one hand in a 30 in oregon where I got 6 or 7 bets in on the river on a (jj) jx2x2 board, but pussied out when my opponent gave me the 'lol I have the nuts, are you serious?' eye roll, and was obviously committed to going to the felt. He rivered a flush. But like I said, I don't think these hands happen often enough to actually impact your expectation.