You could deposit 1 Million/day, that doesn't change a thing, ofc you have to deposit AND lose money to get a good rb.

This is just another rake increase, nothing else than Essence. The winning players pay more rake (= get lower rb) and the few losers/fish/recs get only a very small part of it cos they don't have a rb deal / don't reach a high VIP level ever.

-> big scam

It's almost like within the first 5 hours, people haven't managed to figure out precisely how the numbers will look in a new system that is anything but transparent!

I think you're going to have to wait a little bit before anyone can provide much clarity.

I have gotten an answer elsewhere, at the very basic of understanding if you are a player that never lost (never deposited) whatever rakeback deal you are on is halved 50% that is the very basic understanding of it, so let us assume you have a 60% rakeback deal, it is now basically 30% flat rb + the times you lose vip loser rb, so at a punt overall you are probably on about 35% 40% rakeback longterm when you combine the 2, so you have at least lost a third of your rakeback in rake with the new system, if you combine that with the amount of regs as well you can say that's more lost value.

Overall however, you are correct we just have to wait and see what numbers the regs come back with!

anybody dataming at ipoker? so we could have this done very quickly.

say i play a hand vs another reg from another skin. Is there then still sbr?
does a reg ever produce sbr? so if i loose a hand to another reg, is there coming sbr to my room from the reg i lost to? or does he even get 100% rake to his room in this case?

Coral + Betfair have said their continuing to assign rake to players according to weighted contributed instead of SBR. Betfair have reduced their top tier to 35% RB while Coral have a 46% RB top tier.

The rest are doing their own mix.
Some 50% old/ 50% New rake
Some 100% New rake

Basically it will be 50% of old rakeback deal if you have never deposited, but even most winning players have to deposit occasionally, so it will be more than 50%, I don't think it will make a huge difference but time will only tell. But looking at it like this (obv I know this isn't exactly how it works)

if they had a player pool of 10 players, 9 of whom deposited £100 and 1 who deposited £900, if they all played the same amount until all the money had been played through then the player who deposited £900 will earn 50% of the SBR and each of the others will have 5.5% so therefore everyone of the 9 players would effectively be on 55% rakeback and 100% rakeback (% of the current rakeback deal)

So looking at it like this, with thousands of players playing and depositing, of the 50% of the rake to SBR a high depositer wil get 0.0003% of it while most average will get 0.0001% so I don't think it's going to make a huge difference.

Also what i'm not sure about is some of the skins don't even have a separate poker wallet to sportsbook, so how will ipoker know what is deposited to poker?

Does 50%old 50% new mean that it'll be 75% weighted and 25%SBR??

50% Weighted Contributed/ 50% SBR I believe

My understanding is that half of the rake is WC and the other half goes to the guy who deposited the money in play. And your own money is always at the bottom.

So, basically if you deposit €1k and hit the tables and start winning from the start, you will get only 50% of effective rake. Let's say after that you have 1,1k and hit the tables again and you lose 100, again you get only 50% of your effective rake, because your 1k is at the bottom and you played with the 100 you won previously and the rake will go to the players you won it from.

Is this correct?

What tier is Coral Poker?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=coral+ipoker+tier

Bump

No information about this or will it just continue as before the change ?

I guess here is no represent from Ipoker...?

Affiliates at RTR or PokerVip maybe can sort this out?

Hey as we understand there has been no talk of merging, but seeing as there are no longer any rules about what rooms an and can't offer their players, we see little need for the divide

If we get any official comments we will let you know

Best wishes

Johnny

I see volume at >= NL100 is pretty much down the toilet now since all the regs realized the effect of the rake change. At 5/10 no games going on even at prime times, at NL400 maybe 2 or 3 tables etc.

Only NL20 and below there seems no effect. I assume cos nearly no one is winning pre rb there cos the rake is so massive, so rb is nearly same as before and the microstakers play no matter what the f ipoker does, it's more or less play money

So well done ipoker, gg, maybe you can merge with ongame now

Good that winning players need to give more or less of their winnings back to losing players? Are we not all on the same line?

Site wanting a bigger cut from the winning players and a smaller cut from losing players has some point in it but when i am finally on a good deal while others have had it for years, why the possibilities have up to be taken away from me now, why me? Is this something i am destined to run into every year and more than once even? Is this justice?

Just keep all players on the same line and give me my possibilities. Would like to collect some roll for move up rather than play the same limit and just survive.

Players who lose, lose, players who win, win, and all should get what they deserve, and the sites, should not even that as it is not fair. The losers have to pay, and have to pay the max, and the winners deserve the max.

Give me the best opponent in the world, i dont mind, i will kill him and take his money, and i dont want to pay for the funerals.

LOL at justice and fairness. They couldn't care less.

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So a month has passed... what's the situation on Ipoker? Did the fish pool increase?

Still poor. As mentioned NL100 + lots of regs seem to have moved and there is not exactly a pool of new deposits to compensate.

Do we see other networks following suit?

nope, but traffic got a lot worse at plo if that helps lol.

that's exactly what I suspected. I mean where the f should the fish come from all of a sudden? Even if the ipoker skins would make marketing efforts like hell to attract fish, they won't get them cause there is none. Ok maybe a few making a great $10 deposit and then grind like hell at 0.01/0.02 NL.

Ok, im trying to understand this new rake system. I have seen people write that it is cutting RB for winners in half, increasing it massively for losers and about the same for break even players. For those winners and losers that is clear and i understand that. For the break even players i am not so convinced yet.

Rake credited to players:
50% to the one who payed the rake from the winning pot.
50% to the one who deposited the money that is being won.

thats clear no problem

However, how does the site decide who deposited the money ?
Example:
Player A has a 90$ bankroll. He wins 10$ from player B. He now has a 100$ bankroll.
Next player A loses 10$ to player C.

Does the 10$ that player C now have come, in its totality from player B ? (ie, are the winnings passed on first before touching the players own deposit)
Or is 9$ out of player Cs money now deposited by player A and 1$ by player B ? (will it be spread around fractionally and soon everyone will have a bit of everyone else)

If it is the first option, then a winning player who starts with an upswing and never gets below his depossited roll would imeadiately get only 50% rakeback and never get much more. If it were the other way, a winning player could benefit by making a huge deposit and playing from a huge bankroll as this bankroll will now be mixed in the system and effectively he will get a significant cashback on it.

Also, if it is the first system and a winning player gathered money from many players, whos money is he cashing out when he cashes out half his roll ? first in first out ? last in first out ? 50% of each players money hes got ?

Can anyone clarify how this works ? How the site designates whom deposited the money you are putting in the pot ?

Basically, yes. [I haven't read the 26-page manual because I have no access to it as a mere player and none of the affiliates whom I have on Skype has sent it to me , but that's my understanding of the system.]

Correct.

He cashes out his own money. The money won from other players stays intact in his virtual balance (VB), which in fact has nothing to do with his actual balance. If he stops playing on this account at all, that money is never converted to rake and the skins of its original wagerers never get SBR from it. If he returns (even after several years) and plays from this account, the old money from the VB continues being turned into SBR according to the 'first in, first out' principle.

Ok, so I see a lot of sites are offering the old rakeback method of weighted contributed, I'm guessing the top tier sites. I'm current;y on a deal with one of the that equates to about 80% rakeback.

So my question is are some rooms allowed to have the old method?

Hey FM

Yep the rooms can pay players how they like, and based on whichever method they like.

If you are currently on a deal that equates to 80% old style, you should stick with it!

We have deals that touch 80%+ on the old WC right at the start with sign up bonuses etc but you are doing well if you're getting that every month

Best wishes

Johnny