Is this still happening on Feb 1?

Yep apparently so!

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Any idea of what are we looking at in terms of reduction of rakeback deals from Feb 1st?

I think this will depend heavily on the kind of affiliate you have. If it's one with purely high volume rakeback grinders, I think there'll be a large reduction.

From what I gather it's going to be player, not affiliate dependant?

Some of the rooms are keeping with the same percentages and paying on the new rake calculation -
Others are reducing the % but paying on gross rake still.

So overall it will probably be much of a muchness

Feb (and possibly March) will be a "wait and see month" to see how the changes affect people and rake

We have 3 rooms staying the same as things stand...a couple changing and the rest undecided.

Overall if you're a winning player you're gonna end up with less rakeback than normal.
And if you're a losing one, possibly more!

Best wishes

Johnny

For sure that is, what is going to happen I've worked with Essence on Ongame since beginning and there haven't been one player who received more rb then he should, but there were countless who received less, esepecially at the start, than they fixed it a little cos it was to much of a steal and ppl were furious. The same is going to happen on ipoker now, maybe in a bit diffrent process. Combining this with terrible software, ipoker is going to lose its competitiveness

So if the % of the deals remain the same but based on the new rake calculation which no player can trace - where is the difference to ongame's great success Essence other than a new name for this crap ?

Well the changes do probably have a good impact. I just read on pokervip some informations, which make me less concerned.https://www.pokervip.com/en/forum/pr...ystem--feb-1st

Imo there a good chances that the new system will improve the situation in the longterm.

How does cashing out and redepositing affect rake

I assume that you cannot cash out and redeposit to be classed as a new depositor, I guess that'll be your 'virtual balance' so basically if you are in plus or minus figures determine how much between 50-150% of your current rakeback deal,
I would assume VIP systems should just remain the same however the points awarded will vary,

For rake races tho? I would guess that it could affect it as a winner who rakes 2000 may only get 500 rakeback (based on 50%deal) could lose to a big loser who deposits lots but only raked 1000??

They say a break even player should remain roughly the same rakeback deal, but surely a break even player will never deposit so surely in the end, they will end up only getting 50% of the rake contributed to them?

The data iPoker will be using goes back to January 2013 we understand.

Our rake races will still be based on the OLD rake calculations.

Hope that helps

Best wishes

Johnny

For any decent non-depositing player, this is a 50% rb cut.
I'm unsure if this gets stacked with the Betfair vip cutbacks too.

pretty lol either way

jeez this way more hardcore then i thought at first. The steal is just crazy. even essence was much more friendly. I just hope the games stop on ipoker immediately and they remove it. This all will just encourage players and skins to shady actions changing accounts, transfers, multi accounting etc.

Will the tier 1 and 2 be merged now ?

do you know what the new % is on betfair, I am playing there now and get 50% as I am top tier.

35% the new top tier called now Gold. They should still use the weighted contributed method as I understood.

I Don't mind winning players getting less % and losers getting higher % because if we are being honest that probably is a good thing for the games but I really don't like this new system and the ambiguity it brings, I mean potentially receiving RB months down the line after you have lost your roll and moved on just sounds bizarre.

Found this on my affiliates site that might explain it better for some.

Total Rake Across the iPoker Network Under WC: $X
Total Rake Accross the iPoker Network Under RPV: $X

The total rake amount will not change.However, the way rake is attributed to skins and players will change. Do not mistake this for the network somehow making more money - That is not correct.

When $3 of Rake is taken from a pot, this $3 will be attributed to players and rooms (50% of this depends on the source of the $3 i.e. Whose deposit it has come from and the other 50% is calculated using the WC system). The network continues to take they same fee from the operator, that they always have.

Simple Example: I lose deposit $100 to you, and lose it in one hand. You take $97 and withdraw it instantly.

You are deemed to have put in $1.50 and as I am the source of the rake I am deemed to have contributed $1.50. None of the $3 goes missing.

More Detailed Example

We both invest 100€ into the pot

-> pot size is 200€ before rake
-> pot consist of your 100€ (tagged to you) and my 100€ (tagged to e.g. Player ABC)
-> now 3€ rake is taken from the pot
-> 1.5€ is split between us using WC
-> you get 0.75€ rake attributed
-> the other 1.5€ is split based on SBR
-> 0.75€ is assigned to you and 0.75€ is assigned to Player ABC

At the end we have:

1.50 € -> you
0.75€ -> me
0.75€ -> Player ABC (who wasn't even involved in the hand)

Total Rake: €3 '

So what stops me depositing $1k/month into a poker account in order to get a higher rakeback %?

They are working off data since January 2013!

Best wishes

Johnny

So if I get a new account on a different skin and deposit $1k every month then i'm going to end up with a much better %?

Regardless that I may be a winner on the site.

Be nice and don't do it! Of course it is great that all the money is atrributed to losing players for healthy economy, because recreational player have low bonuses and dont care about them, this way more money goes into pocket of network and skins. Ipoker is gonna receive some prize if it goes through smoothly, cos many networks tried to do something similar but never to this extent.

Not a single person has still explained the impact on rakeback deals, if you are on say a 50% deal for every $100 raked you'd get $50 in rb, under the new rake system how much do we not get back now? 25%? aka $25? how much much is the rb affected because everyone on a deal of whatever % is technically no longer on that deal and is on a lesser 1 vs the old system.