Hi,

At start I will write about the situation:


Bet-at-home affiliate send to me email regarding World Cup Promotion 2014 (in end of may) , where they offered CPA deal :

For every new customer who will register throught my affiliate link and deposit min 10 euro I will get commission.

- Everything was ok, I was referring players, but few days ago (after 3 weeks of promotion ) they wrote that I made CPA Froud,
because players deposit from 10-25 euro each. (I referrer 41 players)

Below I send email where they wrote that there is no limit of referer players. Players need to make minimum requirements - so register and minimum deposit with 10 euro).
More over, I invest a lot of euro to this promotion :

- I start mailing (betathome asked me to show the proof of it I send it to them , and after that they excluded me from this promotion and wrote that I will not get any money from my referer players - the point is that every days I have a lot of visitiors on their website, so they have FREE ADVERTISING !!!!
- facebook campaign
- website advertising

so it means that I works for free, and I lost my money and time, also it means that everyone can stay EXCLUDED !!!!

I didn’t brake any rules, I works all days on it to maximize the result, I lost time, money, and now they wrote that my deal without any talks is change to revenue share. THIS IS CHEAT !!!

I don’t accept it, If I knew that they work like that I would never cooperate with them !!

I would like to write again. I didn’t brake any rules, and betathome exactly now that,
I have every email which I was writing with them, I was asking about everything,

If Anyone is interested in evidence in the form of emails from BET-AT-HOME Ill send directly to email or publish here.


I WOULD LIKE TO WARN EACH OF YOU, DON'T COOPERATE WITH BET-AT-HOME UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE:

- SPAM ON EMAIL TO START COOPERATE
- MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND REFERER PLAYERS
- CHEATED

I send my case to LGA, I talk directly throught the phone with the appropriate departament.

EMAIL FROM BETATHOME: (I CAN SEND SCREEN)

'W dniu 2014-06-03 12:03:04 użytkownik bet-at-home.com Affiliates <affiliate.en@bet-at-home.com> napisał:
Hi Mariusz,

yes, that’s true, there is no limit for new customers. Yes, your CPA Commission for 50 new acquired customers would be around xxxx (or more specifically xxxx). However, all new customers have to meet the minimum requirements.'


regards

rolakko

Hi,

At start I will write about the situation:


Bet-at-home affiliate send to me email regarding World Cup Promotion 2014 (in end of may) , where they offered CPA deal :

For every new customer who will register throught my affiliate link and deposit min 10 euro I will get commission.

- Everything was ok, I was referring players, but few days ago (after 3 weeks of promotion ) they wrote that I made CPA Froud,
because players deposit from 10-25 euro each. (I referrer 41 players)

Below I send email where they wrote that there is no limit of referer players. Players need to make minimum requirements - so register and minimum deposit with 10 euro).
More over, I invest a lot of euro to this promotion :

- I start mailing (betathome asked me to show the proof of it I send it to them , and after that they excluded me from this promotion and wrote that I will not get any money from my referer players - the point is that every days I have a lot of visitiors on their website, so they have FREE ADVERTISING !!!!
- facebook campaign
- website advertising

so it means that I works for free, and I lost my money and time, also it means that everyone can stay EXCLUDED !!!!

I didn’t brake any rules, I works all days on it to maximize the result, I lost time, money, and now they wrote that my deal without any talks is change to revenue share. THIS IS CHEAT !!!

I don’t accept it, If I knew that they work like that I would never cooperate with them !!

I would like to write again. I didn’t brake any rules, and betathome exactly now that,
I have every email which I was writing with them, I was asking about everything,

If Anyone is interested in evidence in the form of emails from BET-AT-HOME Ill send directly to email or publish here.


I WOULD LIKE TO WARN EACH OF YOU, DON'T COOPERATE WITH BET-AT-HOME UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE:

- SPAM ON EMAIL TO START COOPERATE
- MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS AND REFERER PLAYERS
- CHEATED

I send my case to LGA, I talk directly throught the phone with the appropriate departament.

EMAIL FROM BETATHOME: (I CAN SEND SCREEN)

'W dniu 2014-06-03 12:03:04 użytkownik bet-at-home.com Affiliates <affiliate.en@bet-at-home.com> napisał:
Hi Mariusz,

yes, that’s true, there is no limit for new customers. Yes, your CPA Commission for 50 new acquired customers would be around xxxx (or more specifically xxxx). However, all new customers have to meet the minimum requirements.'

(Keep in mind that CPA deal definitely is not subject to regulation of LGA - so the terms and conditions which you get from bet at home it is only a lie, and you will not get payment from them )
regards

rolakko

Blatant affiliate abuse by yourself. The minimum is set at €10 but that doesn't mean that all your referrals would be depositing that amount. You are at best a low value, net negative, affiliate. Presumably you gave your 41 friends the $$ to deposit too.

When I was doing aff stuff years ago I would have people depositing $10, but also had people depositing $'000s too.

What you are doing is the same as people abusing poker sites affiliate deals too, set up account, deposit the minimum, grind the minimum FPPs to release the Comission and then move onto the next account after cashing out.

I don't see how any of this actually requires "a lot of" money as you described, unless of course you sent all referred players the 10 bucks to deposit.

And this thread should get moved here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/51...ates-rakeback/

No, they deposit more, I made facebook campaign on which I get permission from bet at home, where I gave Free First bet If someone lose, after that players deposit more.

regards

More over I am not writing here only about the payment which they didn't make for new customers, but also about advertising them and their approach to me. I send to them result of my marketing activities where I reached a large number of recipients. They thanks for information only, without taking this into account.

regards

Dead 39suited,

I wrote 'a lot of' because I don't know exactly what is permitted or prohibited on the forum. If You are interested about this, write to me on priv and I can write about details.

regards

Nothing at all from the marketing that you mentioned requires any major input of money, so your posts make little to no sense.

Dear 39suited,

No sense ?

First of all I didnt spam them to cooperate. They send to me offer of cooperation under certain conditions, which I received and which I agree. They present offer which was very attractive for me. I asked about every detail, because I would like to execute campaigns in 100% professional.

After that I spend my time and I reach the audience by presenting the offer of betathome. (I am not writing here only about this 41 players but also about customer who received information about betathome and who in the fucture might register)

You write that I'm wrong that there is no sense- ok, but think for a moment.

If you are encouraged to cooperate by betathome where they know that LGA who is their licencior can't do anything regarding marketing (betathome<-> affiliate) they can easly accuse you for CPA Fraud, and do not pay, while enjoying the free advertising of their affiliate.

I know exactly what you mean, but I present to them my advertise result, and as I mentioned I got permission from them to do this form of advertising. After 3 weeks of my work they decide to exclude me.

I write again that I didnt write to them regarding cooperation. They spam me and used me in World Cup 2014.

regards

If you have a list of how much money total your 41 players deposited on this site, it would go a long way towards determining if you have a valid claim against this site. Without that number, many are just going to assume that you created a low value (read: most people did the minimum) promotion and the room did not benefit much/you didn't deserve your deal. That happens a lot with affiliates, so that is why many are assuming that it is the situation here. Sometimes, rooms do cheat affiliates, so it's important that you back up your argument with actual numbers, the 41 players' deposit total being the most important number.

Generally speaking, CPA deals can have some incentive alignment issues in them, compared to revenue share deals. Sometimes the rooms benefit far more than the affiliate, sometimes the affiliate benefits far more than the rooms, and other times it works out mutually beneficial.

Dear ChicagoRy,

About 'minimum', I asked betathome managment about this. They asnwered that players need to make minimum requirement (I keep all email from them). From my side I fulfill my contract, after that as i mentioned they asked me about result of my campaign -> after that they thanks for this and excluded me.

This is only a cheat, because I KNOW that they excluded more affiliates, because LGA can't do anything to them, and they use it !!!

Therefore warn each afiliates. DO NOT COOPERATE WITH BETATHOME IN CPA DEAL !!!

regards

rolakko

What does the earnings report show in your affiliate account? It should show total registrations, player deposits, Gross Revenue, wagers etc....

Dear HeavyTrev,

Yes, I see everything that you mentioned, but the point is that :

Betathome accuses me of CPA FRAUD, but they didn't ban my account !! They said, that players are transferred to net revenue !!!

This is a bet at home CPA SCAM, which is used by them, because no one can do anything to them, and this is their way of attracting players - using their affiliates.

regards

That indirectly confirms that your referred players must have been very low value in general.
Quite shocking revelation. A poker site uses affiliates to attract new players, totally unheard of so far.

Dear 39suited,

You need to learn how to reading comprehension. If it will still be a problem then do not comment on things about which you have no idea, more over do not change the context of an entry by copying a few words in your answer

You act like a spammer, who throughout the day has nothing to do, and write just to make more posts and try to be credible in its stupidity in twoplustwo among members.

regards

I think his first point was pretty good. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that if you bring a room nothing but minimal depositing & raking players, many of them will boot you.

Not just many but the vast majority will do so, especially the switch to a low revshare deal is very common.

rolakko, it is quite obvious that English is not your native language but that is no excuse for insulting other members that do not agree with your point of view.

Dear 39suited,


Argument that English is not my native language is a joke of the person who has nothing else to say.

I do not know whether you are an employee of betathome or something ?
Your answers are idiotic, and i will not continue talks with you, because this is not the point of conversation, where I present arguments and you can't in any way relate to them.

Probably you begin to comment, writing another nonsense, but I understand, because it is normal for a person who is simply not enough intelligent.

regards

rolakko, unless you post how much your players deposited, your argument is really not going to win over any affiliates.

We that have affiliated with rooms for years in this industry understand that you want a win-win relationship with as many rooms as possible. We also understand that poker rooms regularly kick off affiliates that provide very little value, (just like affiliates stop promoting rooms that provide very little value to their customers and business). One of the key areas where it can be clear for a room to see an affiliate providing very little value is a CPA deal.

Minimums are built so that affiliates can get credit for referring more players, and it somewhat offsets some of the money affiliates lose (compared to rev share deals) on higher rakers/depositors.

I can agree that rooms should, absent any evidence of a scheme/scam on the affiliate's part, honor the payments on players referred before the deal was terminated by the room. That part I can see making a case for, but that doesn't appear to be what you are arguing about.

Terminating the agreement of an affiliate that provided very little value is not really abnormal though.

Look at it from the business's point of view. Imagine you own a business that sells 20 products. The cheapest is $25, but most products are $100+. In order to get affiliates to sell your products and push them prominently on their sites, you offer $20 per sale. Now, if the site sees an average order from affiliate customers of $80, they are giving away 25% per sale, which seems reasonable. Now imagine that a single affiliate comes in and refers 40 sales, but they are all $25 products. You 're paying out 80% for this affiliate's unnaturally low quality of customer. You'd either renegotiate a deal with this affiliate to pay them a % of sales, or you would drop them.

Dear ChicagoRy,

I wrote this post only to inform other affiliates that betathome
can break without any consequences its rules about CPA deals.

regards

rolakko