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"If you stay at Elite level or higher for a further 3 months, then drop down to Pro level for the next 3 months – you will benefit as you can still claim 120,750 points! Better than if you had claimed after 3 months.
This is because you will have maintained a minimum of Pro level for 6 months."

However, wouldn't players benefit more by claiming a 3 month Elite bonus (105,000 points) AND a 3 month Pro bonus (30,000) for 135,000 points in total? Can you only claim 1 loyalty bonus per 6 months? If so, how flexible are the 6-month periods? If you earn very little in your first 2 months, but maintain Elite level in months 3-8, could you then claim the Elite 6-month bonus?

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The word 'Further' in the explanation relates to If you maintain a level of Elite or higher for three months

So in numbers:
1) 3 months Elite
2) 3 months Elite
3) Dropdown to Pro 3 months

Elite = Pro+Club I think otherwise it doesnt make sense (Platinum = Elite+Pro+Club)

now the first three months Elite (1) you claim your prize, now you ''cant'' use that anymore to claim for example 3 months Elite point boost worth 440k points.

Now since you are 6 months playing (2) + (3 = Pro) , you can claim the 122,750 points for the 6 month point boost.

Imo this is ******ed since you can easily maintain Elite in the 3rd period (7,8,9th month) to claim 440k points for 6 months Elite..

Did you read the T&C of this?

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You must maintain a Club Mansion status of Club or above for a minimum period of 3 months in the last 6 months to qualify for any loyalty bonus.
All bonuses will only be based on Club Mansion status over the last 6 months, but you can choose when to claim and over which 6 month period the bonus is based.
If you wish to claim either a three month or six month boost please e-mailrewardsclaim@mansion.comWe will respond to all claims within 72 hours of the claim being received.
$100 & $500 will be released as bonus into your account and will release in the same way as first deposit bonus.
Larger Cash bonuses will have wagering requirements but will release at much faster rates.
Only one cash bonus will be available to each player in a calendar month.
Any unredeemed points will expire after 24 months.
Any account which is dormant for 6 months is liable to forfeit any MCP balance.

My mate says that playing for 6 months straight at the same VIP level is the best bang for your bucks

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04-11-2009 , 04:45 AM

#127

iparout

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 818

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Originally Posted by Giantian

My mate says that playing for 6 months straight at the same VIP level is the best bang for your bucks

This is correct.

Pity I don't fully understand Mansion's program in order to be more helpful.

But whatever PNXRMX is having in the works, trust me, it's gonna be very good, if accurate.

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04-11-2009 , 08:01 AM

#128

zenbuddha

journeyman

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 325

I can vouch for that. I've used it.

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Originally Posted by iparout

This is correct.

Pity I don't fully understand Mansion's program in order to be more helpful.

But whatever PNXRMX is having in the works, trust me, it's gonna be very good, if accurate.

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04-11-2009 , 12:02 PM

#129

PNXRMX

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,033

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantian

So in numbers:
1) 3 months Elite
2) 3 months Elite
3) Dropdown to Pro 3 months

Thanks, I didn't take the word 'further' into account, but my point remains the same. The text implies that it is best to claim a 3-month Elite and a 6-month pro, while a 6-month Elite and a 3-month Pro is better:

3-month elite + 6-month pro = 105k + 120,750 = 225,750
6-month elite + 3-month pro = 440k + 30k = 470k, which is over twice as much.

Let's take the word further another step and say they mean:
1) 3 months Elite
2) 3 months Elite
3) 3 months Elite
4) Dropdown to Pro 3 months
Then they are implying that:
6-month elite + 6-month pro = 440k + 120,750 = 560,750
is better than:
6-month elite + 3-month elite + 3-month pro = 440k + 105k + 30k = 575k

Example 2 does seem correct and supports my first calculation method:

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You could now claim for 6 months at Elite level and pick up 440,000 points, on the other hand, you could claim the first three months at Elite for 105,000, maintain Platinum status for a further three months and pocket a massive 920,000 points on top of the 105,000.

This is going to be a bastard to program btw, will probably have to make it run through every combo of months to work out the best option.

EDIT: The only explanation that I can think of is that they assume in the first example that the first 3-month elite bonus has already been claimed. Since the T&Cs show that claiming is very flexible, it would be stupid to claim anything after 3 months unless you need a cash boost right then.

EDIT 2: Nope, still doesn't make sense. They simply claim that 6-month pro > 3-month pro + 3-month elite, which is NOT true.

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04-11-2009 , 01:10 PM

#130

Gerv

Formerly Giantian

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,325

Unless you play SH/HU/MTT/SnGs , its going to be very hard to play 6 months on iPoker

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04-11-2009 , 01:19 PM

#131

iparout

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantian

Unless you play SH/HU/MTT/SnGs , its going to be very hard to play 6 months on iPoker

Why is that ?

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04-12-2009 , 08:50 AM

#132

Gerv

Formerly Giantian

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,325

Fullring iPoker is filled with nits, shortstackers and a combination of both

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04-12-2009 , 11:45 AM

#133

PNXRMX

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PNXRMX

EDIT 2: Nope, still doesn't make sense. They simply claim that 6-month pro > 3-month pro + 3-month elite, which is NOT true.

Anyone got any idea about this? Really want to get this tool done

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04-12-2009 , 11:57 AM

#134

iparout

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Originally Posted by PNXRMX

Anyone got any idea about this? Really want to get this tool done

What they are saying is wrong. Your calculations are good.

I was wondering what support would say.

BTW, keep in mind that points are exchanged for cash bonuses (not cash), which have a playthrough requirement.

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04-12-2009 , 01:22 PM

#135

PNXRMX

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Done the code for calculating the optimal points boost combo for the first 12 months... 6 more to go, and then the code for converting points to cash, taking the playthrough requirement into account... Pretty sure it'll be finished by the end of the day

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04-12-2009 , 01:49 PM

#136

iparout

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Originally Posted by PNXRMX

You are doing an exceptional work.

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04-12-2009 , 01:57 PM

#137

PNXRMX

adept

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Thanks, I'm at 14 months now, and will probably leave it like that for now, since the number of combos is getting pretty huge, and I'm probably missing quite a few as it is. These are the combos of points boosts for players that play 7-14 months:

Each (...) is a combination. For example:
(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10) means that you claim a 6-month bonus for months 1-6 and a 3-month bonus for 8-10.

7 months:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6),(1,2,3+5,6,7),(2,3,4+5,6,7),(3,4,5),(1,2,3,4,5,6),(2,3,4,5,6,7)

8 months:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6),(1,2,3+5,6,7),(1,2,3+6,7,8),(2,3,4+5,6,7),(2,3,4+6,7,8),(3,4,5+6,7,8),(1,2,3,4,5,6),(2,3,4,5,6,7),(3,4,5,6,7,8)

9 months:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9),(1,2,3+5,6,7),(1,2,3+6,7,8),(2,3,4+5,6,7),(2,3,4+6,7,8),(2,3,4+7,8,9),(3,4,5+6,7,8),(3,4,5+7,8,9),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9),(2,3,4,5,6,7),(3,4,5,6,7,8),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9)

10:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10),(1,2,3+6,7,8),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10),(2,3,4+6,7,8),(2,3,4+7,8,9),(3,4,5+6,7,8),(3,4,5+7,8,9),(3,4,5+8,9,10),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10),(3,4,5,6,7,8),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9),(1,2,3+5,6,7,8,9,10),(2,3,4+5,6,7,8,9,10)

11:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10),(1,2,3+4,5,6+9,10,11),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10),(1,2,3+5,6,7+9,10,11),(1,2,3+6,7,8+9,10,11),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10),(2,3,4+5,6,7+9,10,11),(2,3,4+6,7,8+9,10,11),(2,3,4+7,8,9),(3,4,5+6,7,8+9,10,11),(3,4,5+7,8,9),(3,4,5+8,9,10),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10),(1,2,3,4,5,6+9,10,11),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10),(2,3,4,5,6,7+9,10,11),(3,4,5,6,7,8+9,10,11),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9),(1,2,3+5,6,7,8,9,10),(1,2,3+6,7,8,9,10,11),(2,3,4+5,6,7,8,9,10),(2,3,4+6,7,8,9,10,11),(3,4,5+6,7,8,9,10,11)

12:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10),(1,2,3+4,5,6+9,10,11),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10),(1,2,3+5,6,7+9,10,11),(1,2,3+5,6,7+10,11,12),(1,2,3+6,7,8+9,10,11),(1,2,3+6,7,8+10,11,12),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10),(2,3,4+5,6,7+9,10,11),(2,3,4+5,6,7+10,11,12),(2,3,4+6,7,8+9,10,11),(2,3,4+6,7,8+10,11,12),(2,3,4+7,8,9+10,11,12),(3,4,5+6,7,8+9,10,11),(3,4,5+6,7,8+10,11,12),(3,4,5+7,8,9+10,11,12),(3,4,5+8,9,10),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10),(1,2,3,4,5,6+9,10,11),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10),(2,3,4,5,6,7+9,10,11),(2,3,4,5,6,7+10,11,12),(3,4,5,6,7,8+9,10,11),(3,4,5,6,7,8+10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3+5,6,7,8,9,10),(1,2,3+6,7,8,9,10,11),(2,3,4+5,6,7,8,9,10),(2,3,4+6,7,8,9,10,11),(2,3,4+7,8,9,10,11,12),(3,4,5+6,7,8,9,10,11),(3,4,5+7,8,9,10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9,10,11,12),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9,10,11,12)

13:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+9,10,11),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3+5,6,7+9,10,11),(1,2,3+5,6,7+10,11,12),(1,2,3+6,7,8+9,10,11),(1,2,3+6,7,8+10,11,12),(1,2,3+6,7,8+11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10+11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7+9,10,11),(2,3,4+5,6,7+10,11,12),(2,3,4+6,7,8+9,10,11),(2,3,4+6,7,8+10,11,12),(2,3,4+6,7,8+11,12,13),(2,3,4+7,8,9+10,11,12),(2,3,4+7,8,9+11,12,13),(3,4,5+6,7,8+9,10,11),(3,4,5+6,7,8+10,11,12),(3,4,5+6,7,8+11,12,13),(3,4,5+7,8,9+10,11,12),(3,4,5+7,8,9+11,12,13),(3,4,5+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9+11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+9,10,11),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10+11,12,13),(2,3,4,5,6,7+9,10,11),(2,3,4,5,6,7+10,11,12),(3,4,5,6,7,8+9,10,11),(3,4,5,6,7,8+10,11,12),(3,4,5,6,7,8+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9+11,12,13),(1,2,3+5,6,7,8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3+6,7,8,9,10,11),(2,3,4+5,6,7,8,9,10+11,12,13),(2,3,4+6,7,8,9,10,11),(2,3,4+7,8,9,10,11,12),(3,4,5+6,7,8,9,10,11),(3,4,5+7,8,9,10,11,12),(3,4,5+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9,10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10,11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9,10,11,12),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10,11,12,13),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10,11,12,13)

14:

Code:

(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9+12,13,14),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10+12,13,14),(1,2,3+4,5,6+9,10,11+12,13,14),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10+12,13,14),(1,2,3+5,6,7+9,10,11+12,13,14),(1,2,3+5,6,7+10,11,12),(1,2,3+6,7,8+9,10,11+12,13,14),(1,2,3+6,7,8+10,11,12),(1,2,3+6,7,8+11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10+11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10+12,13,14),(2,3,4+5,6,7+9,10,11+12,13,14),(2,3,4+5,6,7+10,11,12),(2,3,4+6,7,8+9,10,11+12,13,14),(2,3,4+6,7,8+10,11,12),(2,3,4+6,7,8+11,12,13),(2,3,4+7,8,9+10,11,12),(2,3,4+7,8,9+11,12,13),(2,3,4+7,8,9+12,13,14),(3,4,5+6,7,8+9,10,11+12,13,14),(3,4,5+6,7,8+10,11,12),(3,4,5+6,7,8+11,12,13),(3,4,5+7,8,9+10,11,12),(3,4,5+7,8,9+11,12,13),(3,4,5+7,8,9+12,13,14),(3,4,5+8,9,10+11,12,13),(3,4,5+8,9,10+12,13,14),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9+11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9+12,13,14),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10+12,13,14),(1,2,3,4,5,6+9,10,11+12,13,14),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10+11,12,13),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10+12,13,14),(2,3,4,5,6,7+9,10,11+12,13,14),(2,3,4,5,6,7+10,11,12),(3,4,5,6,7,8+9,10,11+12,13,14),(3,4,5,6,7,8+10,11,12),(3,4,5,6,7,8+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9+10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9+11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6,7,8,9+12,13,14),(1,2,3+5,6,7,8,9,10+11,12,13),(1,2,3+5,6,7,8,9,10+12,13,14),(1,2,3+6,7,8,9,10,11+12,13,14),(2,3,4+5,6,7,8,9,10+11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7,8,9,10+12,13,14),(2,3,4+6,7,8,9,10,11+12,13,14),(2,3,4+7,8,9,10,11,12),(3,4,5+6,7,8,9,10,11+12,13,14),(3,4,5+7,8,9,10,11,12),(3,4,5+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+7,8,9,10,11,12),(1,2,3+4,5,6+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3+4,5,6+9,10,11,12,13,14),(1,2,3+5,6,7+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3+5,6,7+9,10,11,12,13,14),(1,2,3+6,7,8+9,10,11,12,13,14),(2,3,4+5,6,7+8,9,10,11,12,13),(2,3,4+5,6,7+9,10,11,12,13,14),(2,3,4+6,7,8+9,10,11,12,13,14),(3,4,5+6,7,8+9,10,11,12,13,14),(1,2,3,4,5,6+7,8,9,10,11,12),(1,2,3,4,5,6+8,9,10,11,12,13),(1,2,3,4,5,6+9,10,11,12,13,14),(2,3,4,5,6,7+8,9,10,11,12,13),(2,3,4,5,6,7+9,10,11,12,13,14),(3,4,5,6,7,8+9,10,11,12,13,14)

Depending on the number of months you play, the script will calculate the points boost for each combo and pick the maximum. I haven't worked out a way yet to display which combo is the best, only the total, but I should have a way soon.

Please let me know if I've forgotten any combos

The best way to check would be to copy/paste into a file where you can see the full text.
Thanks

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04-12-2009 , 03:17 PM

#138

CLXG

stranger

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5

Are ChiliPoker loyality payments available for all afiliates ?

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04-12-2009 , 03:30 PM

#139

iparout

adept

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 818

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Originally Posted by PNXRMX

Does anyone here know the answer? Also, are there any (public) iPoker vip programs worth looking out for, other than Titan, VC, Sun, Hansa Poker, Betfred, Plex, Bet365, PPP, Better, DSP, Will Hill, Betmost and Mansion?

GreenJokerPoker, BlueSquarePoker, CDPoker and Boylepoker are the ones that come to mind.

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04-12-2009 , 04:39 PM

#140

PNXRMX

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,033

GJP and BSQ weren't very good from the quick analysis I did, but I will include them too eventually. CDPoker doesn't seem to have anything other than reloads. I e-mailed Boylepoker once, and what they offered didn't seem great iirc, but I think it's changed since then (or they at least give more info now).

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04-12-2009 , 04:44 PM

#141

iparout

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Originally Posted by PNXRMX

#9 and #83. They may not be the best around but they are worth looking into, imo.

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04-14-2009 , 06:07 PM

#142

Grafter

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 855

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Originally Posted by PNXRMX

I guess poker loyalty calculator is your site?

I think that William Hill have changed how they calculate their monthly points boost

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=341

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04-14-2009 , 08:35 PM

#143

iparout

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Originally Posted by Grafter

I guess poker loyalty calculator is your site?

I think that William Hill have changed how they calculate their monthly points boost

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=341

His site is http://www.pokerloyalty.info/ AFAIK, ans it's a pretty decent job. Don't know if you are referring to it.

Pity that WH changed its T&Cs.

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04-15-2009 , 07:21 AM

#144

PNXRMX

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,033

The points boost table still shows 0, 1.5, 2.5, etc., which should be either 1, 1.5, 2.5 or 0, 0.5, 1.5 in the new system (depending on if the table shows multipliers or boost multipliers). The calculator has been modified to show the new system, and I've contacted WH for clarification. I must say that they have dropped A LOT in the comparison rankings.

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04-15-2009 , 05:07 PM

#145

The-fryke

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,690

Wow great site.

How come I have never heard of betmost before? It seems to come up tops in both the calculations I ran... although with plex (which I had heard to be the best) obv your numbers didnt include the shop?, and whatever you can get from an above board affiliate (rake races and instead top VIP).

I did some rough calculations, it looks like if you count them, plex is still the best? Or does betmost also have things that may not have been included?

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04-15-2009 , 05:14 PM

#146

PNXRMX

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,033

It's hard to put a 'number' on shop items, but it will be included in the review. Stuff like top VIP and races is being worked on

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04-16-2009 , 12:30 PM

#147

Grafter

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Victor Chandler (VCPoker) have changed their loyalty scheme.

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04-16-2009 , 12:33 PM

#148

PNXRMX

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Grafter

Victor Chandler (VCPoker) have changed their loyalty scheme.

Thanks, will be updated today

EDIT: New cash rewards system has been implemented, but not the extra bonus dollars or free sports bets yet. Waiting for more info on that. Probably tomorrow before those are added

Last edited by PNXRMX; 04-16-2009 at 12:48 PM.

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04-16-2009 , 01:30 PM

#149

iparout

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VC loyalty "rewards" suck, imo. They sucked before the changes they made and they still do..

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04-17-2009 , 06:19 AM

#150

bigsur1

enthusiast

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 67

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Originally Posted by The-fryke

How come I have never heard of betmost before? It seems to come up tops in both the calculations I ran... although with plex (which I had heard to be the best) obv your numbers didnt include the shop?, and whatever you can get from an above board affiliate (rake races and instead top VIP).

I did some rough calculations, it looks like if you count them, plex is still the best? Or does betmost also have things that may not have been included?

@PNXRMX

Is this the standard Betmost offer?

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