Boyles claim to have best points rewards on network - comparison?

Wrote a mail to Boyles to clarify some questions about there vip scheme. wasn't 100% understandable for me regarding the website.
Seems like themselfs got no clue. 3 days now and no answer.

Ciaran at Boylepoker is one of the good guys.

You can pm him on here BP_Mgr or post on this thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...thread-443124/

I've let him know about this thread and I'm sure he'll be along when the pubs here in Ireland close (for an hour on Good Friday), if not sooner.

@iparout

Which tracking tool do you use to get the numbers?
(rake per hand)

I appreciate that you try to figure this out because I have spent many hours to get a grip on the different deals but the only sure way is to play and see what they will give you. This can only be done with the sites that give you a higher VIP level immediately of course. I don't want to spend several months and rake$ to get to a higher level in a scheme that later shows that I don't get what I thought I would get from their highest level.

There are big differences depending on what game you play. Here are my numbers from DSP:

I’m VIP5 at DSP, have played 6369hands of 2-4NL 6max and 169hands of 5-10LHE 6max. My rake according to HEM is $859 and I have received $210 in bonus. That's 24.4%, not even close to the 41% you posted.

How does Paddys and Plex bonuses compare, lets say with the hypotethical assumption that you can play on either one on highest vip?

I'm guessing from what's been said thta Plex are the best on the network. I'm going to be putting a lot of hours in from end of April, and with Boss' new found rockness (ty crypto) I will probably come back, but need the best deal. Very good thread, ty OP.

We currently offer the highest availible points for both Micro stakes players and tournament players. the details of our points can be found here

If you need any further help with them please let me know.

Can you PM me your email address and Ill find your mail and reply. I have been out of the office for a few days now and have come back to a mountain of mails !

I tried to set up a comparison.
Problem is, I don't completely understand the Paddy Power programme...
(oh wonder...)

You get 5$/450 points in bonus

But I don't get this:
"Generals must forefit 12,000 points in lieu of the additional $100 bonus dollar units."

Do I get 100$ for each 12000 points or do I get 100$ in bonus, which releases in 5$/450 increments?

Fine. Did you count every hand?
I tried to start my own calculations in order to check how good these offers are, but I stopped because I had to count endless hands. Is there a PT2 option that allows to export this data?

I also play on Pokerplex. FL 3/6-5/10 and NL 100. I never touched these spheres. My calculations end around 30% in VIP level 7. Is there anything I'm missing? The RTR deal, e.g., includes races, but I assume you didn't take them into account.

I am not sure what you're talking about. No matter how many hands you've played, it shouldn't take you more than a couple hours to come up with the numbers.

See post #7. There seems to be a glitch in the Pokerplex points system and as a result, players playing lower limits get more points (and more cashback %) than those playing higher limits !

The numbers I posted are accurate for the limit I'm currently playing, and do not take into account rake races, grandfathered rakeback or any kind of under the table deal a player might be getting.

Pokertracker displays all raked hands correctly and it's no problem to sort them. But lets assume, there are 10.000 hands I'd like to use for the calculation. At the moment, I see no other option as to count: 365 hands with 3$ in rake, 124 w 2.75$ in rake etc. Given the number of hands, this simply takes a very long time and might be inaccurate in the end, if I make a mistake.
Wouldn't it be great if there was an export function which converts and lists the data in an excel or OO file?

Yes, you are right! These Ipoker schemes seem to vary a lot. It's designed to confuse the customers.

In PT2 you can filter according to rake. There is the option to show hands with at least $ xx rake.. Which makes it extremely easy.

Thats not ideal, but it seems there is no way of exporting the necessary data.

iparout, thanks for your efforts by the way.

I hope this thread helps to bring more light into all the shady Ipoker VIP schemes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Betfred Homepage says:

"All Monthly VIP Club Bonuses are issued to a player’s account on the first of every month in Bonus Dollars. The Bonus Dollars will be released into a player’s account at a rate of $10 for every 500 VIP Club Points accrued."

In your calculation, you earn 79033 VIP points and this results in 869,36$ VIP cash back.

Isn't it 20$/1000 points and therefore 1580,66$ VIP?

No, you will get at Diamond Level a VIP Bonus each month at a rate of 10$/1000 points.
But this is issued as Bonus Dollars, which are released at a rate of $20/1000 points.
Additional you can cash-in points at a rate of $1/1000 points directly into cash.

btw thx iparout for this thread.

Well, since the bonus has a playthrough requirement, rakeback equivalent of bonuses are lower than the ones I posted (I thought bonus dollars are released immediately into your account).

Will post updated results as soon as I can, however, it seems like there's a difference of up to 10% (lower than the rakeback percentages I posted here) - the numbers are roughly 0% - 9.4% - 15% - 19% - 25% - 31%.

And i dont know if you already have this in your calculations, or if its is possible at all, but you will get an unlimited VIP Bonus only at the highest VIP level.
At the lower levels it is limited and not 1% of your points.

Also, just to remember, these number do not match for people playing NL or SH.
The pointbased VIP System are very different for each game.
The difference between SH and FR can make up to 30%.

I know there is a cap but I didn't include it in my calculations. The rakeback % equivalent is correct, though, for all VIP levels as it isn't influenced by the cap. It's just that, when you reach the cap for each level, you can no longer use your points towards the loyalty deal.

That's why I gave the link to the official website, though. So that people could see every little aspect of each deal and decide for themselves.

I have a question about the standard VIP level calculation (that VC and PokerPlex use, for example) which calculates the VIP level based on a '3 month average'. I understand that it works like this:
Month 1 (not a full month) - nothing happens
Start of month 2 (first complete month) - no upgrade, because no full months have been played
Start of month 3 - upgrade takes into account this average: (month 1 points + month 2 points)
Start of month 4 - upgrade takes into account this average: 62.5% of month 3 points + 37.5% of (month 1 + month 2)
Month 5 - average: 50% of month 4 + 30% of month 3 + 20% of (month 2 + month 1)
Month 6 - average: 50% of month 5 + 30% of month 4 + 20% of month 3
etc.

This is the system Better Poker uses, so I assume it applies to other skins who use the standard VIP upgrade method. Could anyone confirm/deny this? I'm mainly interested in knowing if this is true for Paddy Power, VC and Poker Plex.

Also, does PokerPlex allow players to exchange points to cash? I can't find the info on the website.

You got it right. Part month is counted in with 1st full month and your sums look right.

Pokerplex doesn't have cash for points, but they have a points shop which is good added value.

Thanks!

I'm also a bit confused about Mansion's program. I sent this e-mail to them, but they couldn't answer it clearly or completely:
Does anyone here know the answer? Also, are there any (public) iPoker vip programs worth looking out for, other than Titan, VC, Sun, Hansa Poker, Betfred, Plex, Bet365, PPP, Better, DSP, Will Hill, Betmost and Mansion?

I finally played a bit on pokerplex and can say for sure that this chart simply isnt correct. Its far lower than 68% on vip7.
30% is more spot on.
It migth be theoretically be possible to reach 60%, but then you need to do weird stuff like play fullring exclusively and never buy in for more than 20BB or something like that.

iparout's numbers are all based on full ring. As soon as someone answers my Mansion question I'll have exactly what you guys need