Well, then I will certainly refrain from posting anything further in this thread. All my findings will have to be kept private, unfortunately.

I didn't know, nor did I intend to, for this thread to have such an impact.

Think it is unlikely this thread was the cause of anything in and by itself. The pokerplex grandfathered deal was hardly a mystery to anyone, in fact it was openly promoted by RTR and others here and elsewhere. I highly doubt this thread ended it, sounds more like ipoker has a strange 6 month grace period for the new rooms or something.

That being said, I do find it quite unfortunate that ipokers methods basically encourage secret hush hush deals, since all that does is create strange competitive dynamics between skins and greater frustration and confusion overall. Kind of like in the old Party/skins days where I created a Pokernow account to get rakeback I never had on Party Poker. Basically, that was stupid.

Crypto had the right idea at the end in making it public and tiered and for all players basicaly, with set limitations. Granted they could not figure out how to do their bonuses fairly between British pound accounts and US dollar ones, but at least they had the right idea in concept .

Any system that is such as the myriad of ipoker VIP programs is a mess, and all we can do is hope that one day these other rooms will look at the easy to understand , clear, transparent VIP program Stars has and copy those general concepts.

I do not blame the affiliates as well for being frustrated, and I commend RTR for running rake races that help compensate for this mess (granted I place in them so I am a bit biased :P). I bet RTR wishes ipoker would get their act together in a better manner more then anyone as all of these changes that get forced on the affiliates and players are quite discouraging.


P.S. RTR feel free to run a rakerace at Sun Poker as well

I wouldn't sweat it, but it's up to you. Under-the-table deals should be kept that way, of course, but I don't think there's anything wrong with comparing legit, advertised deals.

I would imagine Scott at Plex might know if this thread had an impact. I doubt it did, but it would be cool if he could comment either way.

To be fair to the OP (and Yes it was me that asked him not to post the rb percentages), it's not his problem once the mods let the thread stay. Bobo is after all amongst the losers when the 25% disappears.

In this case, Plex did their sums based on 6max, just as all crypto skins always did. Anyone who played FR on crypto knows that the RB+bonus was a loser for the skin.

There's a much bigger full ring versus 6max ratio on ipoker than there was on crypto, so their sums were wrong and they've probably been looking for an excuse to get out of the deal.

RTR have made the point more than once in the RB/affiliate forum that this deal didn't add up. 50% bottomless bonus (full ring) + 25% cashback + 10% shop + 5-10% race + $100 per month freeroll equity.

For the record, ipoker take exception to any deals that are more than 30% (6max) which works out at 50% full ring. If you're getting better than this don't brag about it.

Yeah, the thread was reported, but we let it stay. I don't think it's really my place to shut threads down because there's a possibility an overly-sensitive network may see a deal that looks too lucrative and decide to shut it down. I think that's greatly outweighed by the fact that this thread has taken some of the mystery out of the iPoker systems and helped a lot of people understand the different deals.

Maybe this was a mistake, IDK.

No criticism intended (and hopefully the OP realises that I now appreciate that the plex deal couldn't last and I won't stab him on sight for the thousands he's cost me )

Like all wonky deals, better to appreciate the month or two that we get than grump about what might have been.

If iPoker used this thread to shut down publicly known and advertised deals then they are lazy for not doing the research themselves. I can't imagine VIP Programs on iPoker don't require some sort of approval from the network, especially considering there are employees making requests in A/R for offers (at least that is what many affiliates have publicly speculated). When a skin gets approved for an offer one would have to think they would do the math. If they didn't you would see much better offer then you see now.

I agree that they use these boards to check what people are offering, which is what I already claimed.

I'm surprised that you're surprised that they don't only check obviously dodgy offers, but also check seemingly legit offers.

That's not what I posted or I didn't get my message across.

I didn't think so, but NP even if it had been intended, because I'm certainly not above making mistakes.

I'll take a run at it. I think PA meant that iPoker should already know about these deals anyway, especially since they likely approve them, and if they needed this thread to point it out to them they are either very lazy or incompetent (I added the incompetent part myself ).

But I think even Grafter is conceding at this point that this deal would have been gone somewhere down the road anyway. Did this thread hasten its demise? We'll probably never know for sure, unless Scott chooses to shed some light on the situation some day.

Are there euro account available on chili?
Do I have to download the software from a specific link or do I have to talk with the support staff of chili to get a VIP deal?

Which rooms on iPoker offer Euro accounts?

All iPoker rooms give you the ability to have your main account in euros, however you can only play on $ tables.

The chili VIP offer is the same for every player, with or without an affiliate, AFAIK. After you clear the signup bonus, you are offered your exclusive points-to-cash VIP deal. Since iPoker doesn't allow rakeback, the only extra things an affiliate could (legitimately) offer if you sign up through his link are some perks like rake races, gifts e.t.c..

The only time speaking about systems that were too good to be true was wrong was in the good ol casino whoring days where the more attention to a juicy bonus pretty much led to it's immediate removal. Most people who were doing these bonuses knew that at the time so they realized that sharing their information in public would just be a - EV move.

This is different. A poker room's long term VIP program is not something that should be talked about in muffled hush hush tones. These are public programs and discussing their flaws and comparing them is how we will help generate stable VIP benefits that are better for most players long term in that they know what to expect.

Stars is a perfect example of this. Openly discussed, and at times tweaked to meet changing needs. Compare that to Party's system which I think utilized the pick unrelated, confusing features randomly from a hat and let's see how it works approach.

Ipoker's is even more of a mess. All of the hush hush under the table nonsense just means they have a very poorly thought out affiliate system in place. VIP programs that are simply too good to be true being approved (as Plex's was) do not represent a good long term approach, even if players, including myself, benefit from it short term.

I certainly understand why a player would keep certain features about a room or network quiet (overlays, double stacking of bonus bugs etc) for their own benefit, I could make a crazy list of all the ones that were possible on Crypto over the years.

However, if we cannot discuss a network's VIP policy without fear of it being compromised then that network needs a lot of basic improvements in how to do business. Thus, even if discussion leads to some deals poofing, if it helps make their system better and cleaner and more transparent then that is better for us all.

Kudos to the OP and for those who chose not to lock/delete this thread.

Thinking of making an account on iPoker, and it seems quite important to choose the right skin.

What is the personal offer based on? How fast you clear it? What stakes you play? etc etc?

If Id be playing $100 HU SnGs, which site do you guys reckon would give me the best rakeback?

Also, can I have an account at 2 diffrent iPokersites if i wish?

Sure, in Denmark the poker sites have to be licensed within the EU (Malta and Gibraltar, i do not know it there's anywhere else that has online poker licenses) inorder to be taxfree.

As many as you like.

Same as in sweden. Where did you find out that only "betfred, vcpoker and bet365" are within EU? Im from Sweden and I wanna start playing at iPoker at a tax free skin.

It's been discussed on pokernet.dk several times (if it's not allowed to mention pokernet please just replace that name with another forum..)

- If it's not correct please tell me since i'ts always nice to have more options to choose from

Regarding the danish/swedish rules i actually think the company just have to be placed in the eu, but not have their license in the EU for it to be tax free for swedes? (a mod at another forum talk about poker nordica beeing tax free for swedish ppl due to that rule, but not danish players?)

Yeah. What matters in sweden is where the company has most of its activity. Hard to know for me

Bah.. I just wanna know where I can play tax free.

certainly Betfred

Propaganda poker has a license in the EU as well, they're on Malta.

WRONG!

I can't believe ppl keep saying things like this, look at their front page it clearly states: Kahnwake gaming commission, aka. a tribal area in Canada = NOT within the European Union...

So it's not tax free (for danes it's not, i do not know about other countries rules.)

Does anyone have a current list of Ipoker skins?

at pokerscout the most of them are listed

VICTOR CHANDLER

Info:

• VIP Program details here and VIP rewards program here
• VIP cashback starts from VIP 4 (Emerald) and upwards
• Members with top VIP status (Diamond) who have more than 150.000 points, are eligible for the Diamond VIP Enhanced Cash Back.
• You get a fixed amount of cashback every month, depending on your level.. This means that no matter how many points you have, the monthly cashback is the same per level, that's why if two players share the same VIP level, the player who has less points (i.e. less hands played and less rake paid) gets a higher rakeback % than the player who has more points.
• For all VIP levels lower than the Diamond VIP Enhanced Cash Back : All points counting towards the monthly cashback are DEDUCTED from your points balance, that's why they CANNOT be used at the shop. Since, however, there is a maximum amount of points you can use for cachback per level, you are still able to use any remaining points at the shop.
• For the Diamond VIP Enhanced Cash Back level, points are NOT DEDUCTED when you receive your monthly cashback, and that's why they CAN also be used at the VIP shop.