Yeah, this is all pretty confusing. I'm reading it again, it seems that getting the 500 "chip" mark for the multiplier is based your running "chip" total over the past 500 qualifying hands, which means that, of the last 500 hands you were dealt into where a flop was seen, you won more than your "fair share" of them (84 pots 6-handed, 56 pots 6-handed).

So it's not consecutive pots that you need to win to get a high score, it's consecutive pots where flops were seen. The incentive to be extra loose and aggressive wouldn't be one that made you defend your BB more to button raises, for example (because there's no flop and the hand won't count towards qualifying hands if you just fold), but it would make you want to find a way to win the pot more often when you do see the flop.

I think.

Regardless, my intuition agrees that it shouldn't take too high of a volume to reach the 500-"chip" score without trying.

As far as the freerolls are concerned (the less valuable part of the promo, probably, but the fun part), I hope Full Tilt is ready to handle collusion that may occur to reach high scores. Find a way to get 8 friends at a full ring table, play 500 consecutive hands where someone limps and folds to Player A on the flop, then play 500 consecutive hands where someone limps and folds to Player B on the flop, and so on... and you and your buddies all have the highest score possible and are a lock for the freeroll.

$1.5M is a huge number at the top spot, even if it's unlikely to get. In pure EV terms, getting to the final round vs. Tom is still worth $30k if 30% (which puts you at about 1% to sweep all four), $65k if 40%.

So for the freerolls, let's say they're giving $30k on average to the top player, $25k among the top 9, $90k among the 1500 qualifiers. Works out to an average of about $200 for a High Leaderboard qualifier, $170 for Medium, and $140 for Low.

It's a pretty neat and exciting promo, which is tough to design for cash game players. It's certainly captured my interest.

Do the multipliers only count for the hands which qualify for the 500 hand scores? Or is it once you get a good 500 hand score you get the multiplier for the entirety of the promotion. If the former, meh, unless it's not all that hard

rules state it counts for all hands over the 2 week qualifying period

"The Full Tilt Points multiplier will be applied to the amount of Full Tilt Points earned in all qualifying hands played during Challenge 1 of the Promotion"

but more importantly, will the $1.5m that i'm going to win hit mgr?

Do I have to play cashgame to participate or can I jump straight to the freeroll or matrix part somehow?^^

This is harder than winning your "fair share" of hands.

Stealing blinds does not count.

So some numbers:
So nine handed you need to win a pot that goes to the flop 56 times.
Say you have a VPIP of 25%
You get called on your raises or call 70%

So 500 Hands * 25% VPIP * 70% getting called = 89 Hands
You will need to win 56 hands out of 89 where you see the flop. (62%)

Collusion will be a big issue.

Also, you will see people limping more. The best play maybe to win more $'s from other peoples sub-optimal play during the promotion.

Please let me know if I'm reading this wrong.

Yeah it's a little confusing.

Maybe I'm the one getting it wrong but if you raise preflop and nobody calls (the 30% in your example) the hand wouldn't count towards the 500. So for this pupose can't we say that you will get called 100%? Since otherwise the hand won't count.

The numbers that I used were just a example.
I was assuming that the % of hands that I see the flop on was 17.8%
Results will vary by game and person.
But for Rush I think that number is high, because so many hands never see a flop.

I think this all boils down to: what is a "qualifying hand?" Is it a hand that qualifies for full tilt points or for LOLdwanbuxx? This promo could be crazy value if it's a straight up 4x multiplier for 2 weeks.

I checked a session I just played. I'm much tighter playing rush did 13/10 this session. FR 25nl. Ran 22BB/100 over 713 hands. Only 333 hands got a flop and I only won 22. So that session wouldn't have gotten me even close despite being a great session. This was on 'mid' level.

Guess this could be hard to do on rush unless you really are LAG.

Could be useful to know that a rush session must be 1000+ hands to get close to the 500 qualified hands

i think you guys are missing something; only 6max tables apply?

In order to earn Leaderboard chips, players must be playing at least two real-money No-Limit Hold ‘em or Pot Limit Omaha ring game tables simultaneously, or at least one No-Limit Hold ‘em or Pot Limit Omaha Rush Poker* ring game table. Only 6-Max and full ring tables are eligible, heads-up ring game tables do not count toward the Promotion.

Players earn Leaderboard chips in hands that meet the following conditions (“qualifying hands”):

At least three players are dealt into the hand
The hand reaches the flop (community cards are dealt)
Leaderboard chips are awarded based on the number of players dealt into qualifying hands. If six (6) players are dealt into a qualifying hand and one player wins the main pot, that player receives six (6) Leaderboard chips for that hand. If the main pot is split between two players, each winning player receives three (3) Leaderboard chips for that hand. All losing players will receive zero (0) Leaderboard chips for that hand.

as well, i think they take the best 500 hands that you played in a session to come up with your score?

I just played 3 tables rush 6max .10 .25 nlhe, waiting to see if and when they update my stats

any hand won after flop is worth 6 pts so within 500 hands you need to 90 hands approximately to hit 500 points?

I guess that is how they are going to pay for this challenge, by having us play only 6 max which means more rake for them instead of full ring?

anyone get a stats update on their page yet?

damn it, i read it wrong LOL

full ring is allowed!!!

back to work I guess, my appologies

Well, I'm assuming (and hoping) there is a fair bit of lag with this promo. At about 6:30 AM ET, there was no one on the leaderboards yet. Now there's a couple hundred people there, but I still am showing 0 points despite clearing my 250 Ironman points for the day. Played ~1.5 hours of 10 NL Rush 6max. 2163 hands, and it looks like probably 85 hands where I won with a flop - unless I'm misunderstanding, I think that should be right around 500 points.

Edit to add: LOL, looks like 83 hands, which would be 498 points.

1800 is the high on the low leaderboards so far, and medium and high is around 800. 1800 seems really high, isn't the max possible like 4500 at fr, and 3000 at 6max.