Hey,

I am not a techfreak, and it has been a while since i last bought my old Pc.

What i am looking for is a desktop which can run my huge HEM2 database (2million hands), and several other poker softwares (Table ninja,Tilt breaker, Time mojo, note caddy...) at a very high speed. I also multitable on different websites, if that is an issue.

I work on my database very often, so i don't like any time delays, just as quick as it can get.

I am not a gamer, i might would like to do that in the future, but right now i got no time for that. So please do not overkill it ;-).

Also, as i sometimes got powercuts where i live, i need a stable, enduring build up.

i post that, cause most want a gaming and poker machine, but for me its only the performance but not for gaming.

Thanks so much 2 plus 2 community

Do you have any spesific website where you like to buy you parts?

not really, might buy it here in south east asia or in Germany. But why?

Its hard to recommend when i dont know where will you buy it. Whats the point of linking you a part list when you cant build it yourself. But in general you would want something with Intel i5 CPU, 8gb of ram, 256gb SSD for your OS and pokertools + 1tb HDD for all the other things(movies, pictures ect), 450-500w Gold rated PSU, nice and solid case from fractal design(corsair). No need for extra GPU since you wont be gaming as you said and if needed you can always add it later for now the iGPU on the CPU is more than enough.

thx so far, you could use newegg or sth for the build up, i just buy all parts separately then.

about the cpu: you say i5, but doesn't make an i7 things quicker?? what i have heart is that you can have an i5 for gaming but an i7 for HEM2 to fasten up things a little bit.

how about haswell 4th generation or Sandy bridge 3rd generation? 4th generation support fasters RAM, is that correct? I would go for 8gb RAM, but how many Mhz?

also, i really don't need a GPU? how about cheap one? Otherwise i am happy to save money here!!

i think i buy the CPU,RAM and the SSDs from germany, and let them ship over privately. Would it be a problem for the parts to get damaged on the way here?

I7 does not make your HEM or any pokertool quicker since its not optimised to use Hyperthreading. i5 will be as fast as i7(i7 is for videorendering or CAD work).
Also you wont see any difference in ramspeeds when doing daily tasks. Again faster ram speed only benefits rendering. Having tighter ram timings are more important than mhz.
You really dont need extra gpu if you dont game.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116896
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231548
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA2W01AZ5550

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128606
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817182066
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811352020

It literally varies patch to patch but at this point in time, postgreSQL does benefit from HT.

Going forward, more HT optimization is likely just because almost all the Xeon chips have Hyperthreading and there are millions and millions of dollars to be saved when postgreSQL can utilize the technology.

If you're really only about HEM speed,

In USDs, 600 for a 6 core i7 (no 6 core i5 variants available). 200~250 for a MB. 100 for a very nice case. 200 for an SSD. 100 for a HD for data storage. 100 for a very nice PSU. Onboard graphics will do, unless you run lots of monitors then you'll need a cheap discreet card just for the outputs.

You need to get faster RAM... and lots of it. 16gb at least, and I'd get that in 2x8 (so yuo can expand to 32 later). 300 gets you 32 gigs of DDR3-2133 in a 4x8 config.

Depending on how much you will pay for shipping, we're looking at $1400~1700 to basically get you the best HEM machine you can buy without using server hardware or spending 500 more on the very top of the line i7s for 10~15% gain.

16GB will do better than 8GB for little extra costs. i7 does matter. Memory frequency does matter (although the gains above 1600Mhz are minimal). It doesn't matter where you buy parts, but I'd have the PC build for you instead of doing it yourself.

Products Mrt linked to are fine if that's your budget. A better PC is definitely possible when paying more. Go for 2*256GB SSD, 16GB RAM, an i7 CPU (i7 4930k or i7 4820k) with a Rampage IV Extreme MoBo in that case.

Just a word on this:

1) If you can afford 16GB, you may as well get it. However, having built my new system with 8GB yesterday, it is absolutely perfect with HM2 and Pokerstars. 16GB would make no difference at this point in time.

2) A lot of ppl are advocating building what is tantamount to a gaming rig, and it's excessive. That said, I would buy a GPU for multimonitoring.

As long as you invest in a couple of good SSDs the rest should be ez to put together.

This is true for HM2 + PokerStars, but that's not what OP is using. As you can see there's also NoteCaddy in there, and that can easily use 8GB+ RAM if you have it available.

You can always go nuts and get a PCI-E SSD as well... Speeds up to 2Gbps (a).
Now in all seriousness. RAID 0 SSDs + HDD for backup. Xeon would be nice if you really want the fastest possible without blowing up a budget for a car.

can someone help me with a Xeon CPU set up? do i have to do sth different than with an i7? anything to consider? Do i really benefit from a Xeon over a lets say i7 4770k?


thanks again

i forgot to mention, that i am connected to 2 24 inch asus monitors. (if that is important..)

not much, if at all.

Xeon is about scaling to multi chip setups.

And if you have to ask, you really should stay away from Xeon setups. There are a lot of idiosyncracies with them that can actually make them more unstable for normal users.

That said, if you really wanted to, yeah, you could dump 10+ grand into a dual Xeon setup and build the most awesome HEM machine there is.

I ordered parts about a week ago and it sounds similar to your needs. Prices went up since then, but I got it all for $1,450 thanks to some Newegg promos and rebates. I went the used GPU route to save a bunch of money. I need one for rendering and editing, and 580s still have better computational benchmarks than basically all but the very high-end GPUs. I don't know if HEM can utilize a GPU, so you might be better off getting a 4770k.


PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i7-4820K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X79-UP4 ATX LGA2011 Motherboard ($239.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($149.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 580 3GB Video Card ($275.00)
Case: Thermaltake Overseer RX-I Snow Edition ATX Full Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1591.89
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-24 07:59 EDT-0400)


Edit: And RAM is tricky. It seems there are diminishing returns once you get past 1600MHz. As your clock rate improves, your timings get slower and voltages get higher. So it seems to almost be a wash and they might even be less stable. Most benchmarks seem to show just minor improvements with higher clocked RAM. 1600-2133 RAM is priced almost the same, so I went with the fastest my CPU "officially" supports which is 1866. My motherboard supports up to 2400MHz, but the 1866 I got had a promo that saved me $30 so it was hard to pass that up. I also read you need to keep your voltages no higher than 1.5V or you'll void your warranty on most motherboards and CPUs. No idea if that's true or not.