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Old 01-22-2014, 11:39 PM   #1
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Building a PC

Decided now is the time to go ahead a build a new PC.

One of the things I plan on doing with the PC is game, though I do not need the highest end gaming PC. If I could play things on medium to high settings for the next 3 or 4 years and low after that I'd be fine.

Must support 3 monitors.

I think I want a processor that I can OC, but it's not particularly important. If I could save a fair amount on a sale for a card that you can't OC that'd be fine.

I will use this thing for streaming videos, maybe streaming a bit on twitch, if, obv huge if, poker ever becomes legal in the US either in my state or in a bordering state I'd use this PC for poker/HM2/max 16 tables more often than not 8 or less.

I currently have a 320GB HDD and it's not even close to being halfway filled up. I prolly would want an SSD for the OS and a 500-750GB HDD for the rest of it.

Have speakers/mouse/keyboard.

Would like to have bigger monitors than I do now, a pair of 900p max res 19" HP's..... I think I've settled on 23" for the size, seems about the right price, open to suggestions on this one.

Anyway here is my guess at this. Obv would very much like input on better pricing/parts w/e.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2A28R

Rly would like to get this to $1250 if possible, but would prolly do at $1300 if I felt the value was there.



Obv there is a third monitor there.

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Old 01-24-2014, 02:51 AM   #2
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I honestly would just get a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO for your CPU.
Everything else seems pretty basic as far as custom builds lately and should work just fine.
If you think you are going to be streaming heavily, get an AMD cpu, or just upgrade down the line.
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:36 PM   #3
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I'd recommend a video card with dual fans to reduce noise...:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...x16_Video_Card

...and definitely get an 840 EVO SSD:
http://www.staples.com/Samsung-840-E...nalize=certona
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147247

G.Skill RipjawsX offer a much better CPR...:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231428

...as does this board, for instance:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157378

You prolly wouldn't even need that fancy a board, just make sure it has all the features you need and no more than that.

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Old 01-24-2014, 07:20 PM   #4
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I honestly would just get a Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO for your CPU.
Everything else seems pretty basic as far as custom builds lately and should work just fine.
If you think you are going to be streaming heavily, get an AMD cpu, or just upgrade down the line.
Is AMD rly better for streaming than intel?

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I'd recommend a video card with dual fans to reduce noise...:
http://www.microcenter.com/product/4...x16_Video_Card

...and definitely get an 840 EVO SSD:
http://www.staples.com/Samsung-840-E...nalize=certona
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820147247

G.Skill RipjawsX offer a much better CPR...:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231428

...as does this board, for instance:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157378

You prolly wouldn't even need that fancy a board, just make sure it has all the features you need and no more than that.
Main difference between the Ram here and the Ram I originally quoted?

And could I just use a Z77 Mobo?
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Old 01-24-2014, 07:32 PM   #5
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Also does the build outlined in OP basically do what I would want it to without throwing away money?
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Old 01-24-2014, 11:06 PM   #6
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Main difference between the Ram here and the Ram I originally quoted?
To my knowledge there's no measurable difference between the two. Both are DDR3 1600 CL9 @ 1.5V, and equally reliable.

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And could I just use a Z77 Mobo?
Depends on your needs but I guess any board with SATA3 (for the SSD), USB3 (just to be future-proof), a PCIe 3.0 x16 slot for the graphics card plus whatever other slot(s) you (may) need, and dual channel DDR3 1600 support should be fine. No need for a second PCIe x16 slot if you don't plan on adding a second GPU, no need for trip monitor support if you're going to use a GPU anyway, etc.

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Also does the build outlined in OP basically do what I would want it to without throwing away money?
Ofc it would, only thing I'm not too sure about is the CPU/GPU pairing (in terms of pairing a top notch CPU with a mid class GPU, that is), but that certainly depends on the games you're going to play, the CPU power your other progs require, and whether you want the CPU to be more future-proof than the GPU. But again, I'm not sure, better wait for others to chime in, or compare some benchmarks and read some reviews yourself.

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Old 01-24-2014, 11:39 PM   #7
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TY for reply.

So then obv the Ram, if they are effectively the same should be bought based on price.

And as far as the Z87 or Z77 I actually never thought to run the monitors of the Motherboard. Always assumed better quality from a GPU. Interesting thought though.

I don't think there is to big of a price difference between the CPU quoted and a step or two down from that, so that's why I went that direction. Don't think I would need a CPU with hyper threading, so no use in stepping up either. Will def look a bit more into the GPU. And obv I'm trying to compare/research a bundle.
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Old 01-25-2014, 09:36 PM   #8
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And can anyone tell me the difference between these two?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-na-_-na-_-na

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-na-_-na-_-na
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:01 PM   #9
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The wattage on your power supply (430w) doesn't meet the graphics card's recommendation of 450w.
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Old 01-25-2014, 10:50 PM   #10
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If you get a power supply that is over a recommended amount it would not rly affect the system right?

Also suggest a power supply anyone?
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:31 PM   #11
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The wattage on your power supply (430w) doesn't meet the graphics card's recommendation of 450w.
This is neglectable. His CPU has 85W TDP, even less with the iGPU disabled, leaving far more than 200W for the GPU. The one I linked has 140W TDP. The reason they're recommending more than actually needed is because they can't know what other hardware you're using, and because no-name PSU's sometimes don't meet their labelled specs. A quality 400W+ PSU will do just fine.

(I have a 95W CPU and a similar GPU myself, 2*4GB RAM, 2 hard drives, SSD, BluRay burner, DVB-S2 card, fans, light, and whatnot and never had any troubles with my Enermax 385W PSU - it doesn't even get hot. I measured the overall consumption at full load using an ampere meter and the system wouldn't even reach 300W.)

More power doesn't hurt ofc but it's not needed either. Newer hardware generations are constantly getting more efficient so unless the plugs don't radically change a quality 400W+ PSU should be future-proof as well (unless you're going to get a second GPU, for instance).

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And can anyone tell me the difference between these two?
840:
Code:
Sustained Sequential Read   530 MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write  130MBps
4KB Random Read             Up to 85,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write            Up to 32,000 IOPS
840 EVO:
Code:
Sustained Sequential Read   540MB/s
Sustained Sequential Write  410MBps
4KB Random Read             Up to 94,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write            Up to 35,000 IOPS
EVO is basically the follow-up of the 840, ie. it's newer and faster. EVOlution ftw

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Old 01-25-2014, 11:45 PM   #12
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OK, so EVO obv.

Then difference between these?

http://www.staples.com/Samsung-840-E...nalize=certona

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3W15P0/?tag=pcpapi-20
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Old 01-25-2014, 11:47 PM   #13
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Same model number (MZ-7TE120BW) = same SSD
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:34 AM   #14
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Hmmm, interesting.

Snap buy obv.

Also I have got the 3 monitors, the CPU, and now the SSD.

Decisions still to be made on the GPU, thinking about the GTX 760 instead of the 660, but it's ~$60 more. Worth it? Then case really. Prolly just get the G.Skill ripjaws for ram. And it seems like for the money and coupling it with a 4670K a z87 mobo makes the most sense.

Then power supply? So basically I should shoot for something 450w-500w?
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:43 AM   #15
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So far it's:

3 Asus VH238H

1 i5 4670k

1 Samsung 840 Evo

1 Windows 8 OEM

Getting there, slowly.
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Old 01-26-2014, 01:10 AM   #16
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Decisions still to be made on the GPU, thinking about the GTX 760 instead of the 660, but it's ~$60 more. Worth it?
http://www.hwcompare.com/14801/gefor...force-gtx-760/

Just go ahead and compare some game benchmarks. The 760 is certainly better but only you can decide if it's worth the upcharge for you.

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And it seems like for the money and coupling it with a 4670K a z87 mobo makes the most sense.
Actually, I stand corrected wrt Z77:
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If you want to use a 4th Generation processor then you must pair it with a Z87, H81 or B85 motherboard, no exception.
Source: http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/d...-z87-a-34.html
Sorry for the confusion I've caused.

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Then power supply? So basically I should shoot for something 450w-500w?
Even with a GTX 760 (170W), a 400W+ PSU will suffice. Here's a good article:
http://www.buildcomputers.net/power-...omponents.html
Cliffs: Board, RAM, drives, and fans together hardly add up to 100W.

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The wattage on your power supply (430w) doesn't meet the graphics card's recommendation of 450w.
those "recommended figures" are basically just put on there for those that use exploding-type psu's that can't supply anywhere near the rated wattage. it'll be fine.
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http://www.hwcompare.com/14801/gefor...force-gtx-760/

Just go ahead and compare some game benchmarks. The 760 is certainly better but only you can decide if it's worth the upcharge for you.

Actually, I stand corrected wrt Z77:

Source: http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/d...-z87-a-34.html
Sorry for the confusion I've caused.

Even with a GTX 760 (170W), a 400W+ PSU will suffice. Here's a good article:
http://www.buildcomputers.net/power-...omponents.html
Cliffs: Board, RAM, drives, and fans together hardly add up to 100W.
Basically just going to go for the 760/the Asrock z87 mobo, looks like it's worth the extra performance.... But general thoughts on ASrock/this mobo?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-na-_-na-_-na

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those "recommended figures" are basically just put on there for those that use exploding-type psu's that can't supply anywhere near the rated wattage. it'll be fine.
And yeah good to know about the power supply. Prolly just get a 450w+ just to be safe.

Any good recommendations?
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And seems like this would be a good power supply?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo
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Basically just going to go for the 760/the Asrock z87 mobo, looks like it's worth the extra performance.... But general thoughts on ASrock/this mobo?
Why not the Pro4 for only $5 more?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

Read and compare the reviews. Though I have to say when I read the newegg and amazon reviews I cannot avoid the impression that lots of the authors seem pretty retarded, those cheap z87 boards all seem to have various kinds of shortcomings. You cannot expect the quality and features of a 3x as expensive hardcore gamer/overclocker board. Just keep that in mind.


As to the PSU, just filter for 400W+ and 80+ and again compare the reviews.
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those "recommended figures" are basically just put on there for those that use exploding-type psu's that can't supply anywhere near the rated wattage. it'll be fine.
I plugged it into http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine and got 336 w minimum, 386 w recommended.

That's for everything, with a gtx 760 and two usb devices, and only the two included 120mm fans on the case.

So its fine, but if you want to upgrade the GPU in the future, it might be cutting it close.
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Why not the Pro4 for only $5 more?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...scrollFullInfo

Read and compare the reviews. Though I have to say when I read the newegg and amazon reviews I cannot avoid the impression that lots of the authors seem pretty retarded, those cheap z87 boards all seem to have various kinds of shortcomings. You cannot expect the quality and features of a 3x as expensive hardcore gamer/overclocker board. Just keep that in mind.


As to the PSU, just filter for 400W+ and 80+ and again compare the reviews.
As much as I've looked around I had no idea that one existed. The only things I haven't got are the mobo and a CPU cooler and PSU. Everything else is paid for, tho obv I can return them but don't plan on it.

Seems like that is a better option than the first one. Prolly just order that mobo here in the next hour assuming no one comes itt and says it's horrible.

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I plugged it into http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine and got 336 w minimum, 386 w recommended.

That's for everything, with a gtx 760 and two usb devices, and only the two included 120mm fans on the case.

So its fine, but if you want to upgrade the GPU in the future, it might be cutting it close.
Yeah, I think no less than 450W, but I think there is a good reviewed 500W for $40 after rebate I'll prolly go with, the one I posted earlier.

Should be good to go with that.

Just need to figure out which cooler is best. Then I should have everything needed to go.
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Everything is purchased.

Will update with pics when things come in. And obv of final build.

TY for all the help so far.
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Don't forget to buy thermal paste, just in case the cooler doesn't come with a heat pad (even if it does, replacing it with thermal paste right away will almost always increase cooling performance).

Looking forward to the pics.
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Things should start to arrive tomorrow, but in advance of that the exact parts are:

PSU- 500w Crosair
Mobo- Asrock z87
Case- HAF+
Disc Drive- Asus 24x Dvd burner (not into movies at all so no blu ray)
Ram- 2x4 Gskill 1600 DDR3
GPU- EVGA GTX 760
Monitors- 3 Asus vh328h
SSD- 120GB Samsung 840 EVO
CPU- i5 4670K
CPU Cooler- Random Coolermaster I forget the name of, good reviews tho.

Total was $1328.47, then there are ~$90 of mail in rebates which I'll wait to see if I get. But if all goes well the build will cost about what I wanted. Tho I still need to prolly grab some 320GB HHD.

Very excited.
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