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Old 06-24-2012, 07:17 PM   #1
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I am new to a lot of the current computer technology and have a lot of newb questions. Was wondering if we could have a thread for people like me that have lots of basic questions so I don't have to start a new thread each time.

1. If I buy a computer that has Windows 7 or choose to make a computer and buy Windows 7 for the OS, will I be able to upgrade for free or cheap when Windows 8 comes out later this year?

2. What are the main differences between the Intel i5-2500K and the Intel i7-2600K? What about the 3rd generation i7's? How do I know which will fit my needs? I don't want to have to buy another computer for a very long time and I am a gamer and multi-monitor multi-tabler. Should I just get the top of the line?

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Old 06-24-2012, 08:29 PM   #2
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1. Microsoft licensing is tricky. When you buy a new pc from Dell, HP, etc they have OEM licenses and are technically tied to that system/hardware only. A retail (ie more expensive bought from a store) can be moved to another PC. As far as upgrades if you want Windows 8 you could buy the upgrade license versus the another full license. Honestly though many folks seem to be thinking Win 8 may be another Vista/ME and get skipped over by many.

2. If your a pc gamer plan on upgrading more often than most users. Honestly for gaming with good solid cpu (rather recent gen quad core) the game will depend more on the video card you are using. If your building get a nice case and power supply and then you can at least reuse those parts and your dvd burner and hard drive and just upgrade the internals.

For good basic pc questions there is a lot of great info on reddit.com/r/buildapc and there are plenty of sites out there for hardware reviews. Some oldie but goodies for those are tomshardware.com and anandtech.com

I'm still running an i7 920 and a GTX460 1gb and can play most of the games out at high settings on my 24" running 1900x1200.

With the current prices of SSD that might be something else to consider for a speed boost
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Old 06-24-2012, 08:57 PM   #3
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1. Some Win 7 computers have that offer going right now, you can upgrade (if it is really an upgrade at all) for $15 or something when 8 hits. With buy-you're-own OEM discs it's probably not happening.

2. As a person who has owned both the i5-2500k and i7-2700k, the answer is (for most people) very little. The 3rd gen equivalent chips i5-3570k and i7-3770k are a very small bit faster and have somewhat better graphics integrated, if you don't use a video card. However if you don't have special needs all of these processors are closely related and will perform pretty close to one another in everyday use. And all can be overclocked quite a bit.

You can compare benchmarks from the bottom of that range (2500k) to the top (3770k) and you can get a more precise look HERE. Some of those benchmarks are designed to measure heavily threaded applications like 7-zip, but it's unlikely you're sitting around compressing files all day.

People like me nit up the differences a lot, but for Joe Computer User, these are really all exceptional high-end parts. Most likely a regular (non-k) i5 chip would smoke everything you'll want to do for years to come, and the leftover cash could go to something you'd appreciate more. Like a SSD, better video card, better display, a new winter coat, whatever.
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Old 06-26-2012, 12:11 AM   #4
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Found what looks like a pretty good deal. Would it be a good idea for me to buy this and replace the power supply and add a 128gb SSD?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...&Sku=A50-11000

Not sure about the graphics card either. How are these towers when it comes to extra space for upgrades

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Old 06-26-2012, 12:49 AM   #5
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The 530 isnt much for gaming and if you are already looking at a different power supply and SSD you might as well either build to your own specs or buy something that has all the stuff you really want.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:20 AM   #6
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Yeah other than maybe adding a video card/drive/Blu-Ray player, either build the thing or buy one set up how you want. When you start looking at PSUs to replace you're defeating the point of buying one off the shelf, which is supposed to be hassle free. I don't think that computer is a bad for the price if left alone (after you add an SSD anyway) but it definitely isn't how I'd spend $767.

Like I keep saying about the i7s: If you're a gamer, step down to an i5 and put the $100 into a better video card. I've got an i7 and it spends most if it's life throttling itself down to 1.6GHz because it doesn't have enough to do. Even an i3 is a pretty good gaming chip if you've got a good card to go with it.

Even the $63 Pentium is shown to perform about as well as a AMD Phenom X4 955 per Tom's. I'd want more CPU than that for poker and other reasons, but the gaming end of it isn't really that CPU dependent compared to a video card. Portal 2 plays well on a $50 Sandy Celeron.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:26 AM   #7
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Sounds good. I am convinced. Was just exploring my options, but will definitely go the building route. Gonna get the i5-2500K I think. What's your favorite tower case?
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:58 AM   #8
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This is without shopping around. Just starting to get an idea of what I want. Still researching Graphics card and Motherboard. Does it matter which optical drive I get? Looking at the coolermaster hyper 212 also

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Old 06-26-2012, 08:14 PM   #9
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Is that a good tower? Looks like it will have plenty of room
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:13 PM   #10
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That is a very nice tower and should last a while. I've got my gaming rig in a cooler master CM 690 and really like it for the price. Cases are more personal preference as long as you have room to grow and like the features/price I say go for it. 16gb ram honestly is overkill for gaming. I just run 8gb in my i7 920 and seems fine. I do run 16-20gb in some of my home servers but I just have that to support running several virtual machines at once.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:39 PM   #11
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Cases are a personal thing. Make sure it fits where you're going to put it, and what you're going to put in it. Ideally get a newer one with a USB 3.0 port up front. If you're running a video card and overclocking you should have some good front-to-back ventilation. More fans for extreme cooling. Consider how the case will sit relative to you, if low on the floor you probably want access to your headphone jack/USB ports higher on the front.

Other than that it's mostly a matter of build quality and taste, and budget. It's not going to make your computer any faster though, so there's a lot to think about. There are perfectly fine cases for less than $70. The other end of the argument is that a good case should hold up for many years so it might be better to get one you really like.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:06 AM   #12
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Re: Beginners Thread...

How we doing so far? Looks like all I need is a motherboard. Any tips on the stuff already there and for a motherboard?



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MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr II GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
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CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power ...
Item #: N82E16817139020
Return Policy: Standard Return Policy
-$30.00 Instant
$20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card
$119.99
$89.99


CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ16GX3M2A1600C10
Item #: N82E16820233246
Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy
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Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
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Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy
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$219.99
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Newegg Free CPU Magazine Coupon
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-$24.99 Saving
$24.99
$0.00


Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
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Return Policy: Limited Replacement Only Return Policy
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-$40.00 Instant
$249.99
$209.99
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:09 AM   #13
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If I do 8gb memory should I go with two 4gb sticks?
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:54 PM   #14
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Is there a difference in performance using 1 x 8gb stick vs 2 x 4gb sticks?
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