The Jesus quote and the gospel of Thomas both presume an active, caring entity, so they don't really support your position at all.

Btw, we know that sunshine nurtures trees, etc... through science. Lol

You are doing other people's interpretation work for them?

Excuse me, I reject these implications of religious authority in this philosophy forum. Why did you think that was a smart route to mess around in this thread?

Pantheism is more SMP than having Grandpa care for you?

An authority on pantheism appeared? How could you tell? Did they just kinda act like part of whole?

One of the strangest things is how religious buffet types (I'll take a bit from here and a bit from there and ignore all the flagrant contradictions) quote selectively from Jesus. If there's no God of the bible, Jesus is just a narcissistic kook, and his followers liars (since he didn't rise from the dead if there is no biblical God), such that we can't say anything at all about him.

Your "types" are only strange to you. Did you know you seem we inexperienced on these topics, but please don't let me stop you.

Your entire contribution in this forum is a kind of zero-content commentary on other posters. You're a know-nothing weirdo. Why would you even come here? Other people come to actually discuss issues most of the time, because of intellectual interest. Even if it's heated, we're still discussing ideas and facts, and learning something. You seem like insecure 12yo who gets off on meta-commenting on other people. It's kind of weird, bro. There has to be a better way to post, or learn.

You can restate your bad opinions over and over. It's not the same as observing to report on the matter of what's been presented. Why distort and clown in an area you are seem inexperienced about?

The scientism stereotypes of what qualifies as "religious" appear to be sourced in their ability to act like religious authority about it. Watch it again.

Thought authorities was a no-no. I'm not identifying with the brutal nature.

I'm highly experienced in Eastern philosophy. I dabbled a lot in Eastern philosophy and theosophy at 13/14, and finished all of Krishamurti's books (who is far beyond the know-nothing pop culture clown, Alan Watts) at 14. If you have a functioning brain, Eastern philosophy becomes pointless after about 14. It is childish and stupid and self-limiting. That doesn't mean there aren't insights, but once gained, here's nothing more to say. I guess some people get stuck there, power hungry young souls awed by the power of connecting with "The One" and the eternal. inside them. It's all a religious delusion that ironically stunts their spiritual growth.
I am strongly against scientism and believe that science extends far beyond what it should in modern society. Science can't answer many questions of interest. It's an unhealthy thing to use it too broadly. The trouble is, Eastern philosophy in particular answers even less than science. And poses the wrong questions besides.

And of course the horse **** that Zamadhi is talking about is religion. It's a transparently pathetic attempt to link the desire to feel needed and loved and part of something larger than himself, with, ironically, scientific insights. It's obtuse and destructive to reaching higher levels of personal and philosophical growth.

It's not even real religion, or at least not a complete religion. He's cherry-picking verses that he doesn't understand to support a position that is untenable without the corresponding premises.

It was quite a feat transferring from a religious dogma-style book interpretation over to the whole of pantheism in one post.

You are guessing.

You are guessing too. It pretty funny you are totally against science supremacy all sudden.

Examples of action absent intention across a cultural reference. Simple to get. Go find out where lilies dwell.

The forum's toothless "gurus" shat the religiosity all over this. Should be done now.

Somehow golden.

With a bit of reservation.

Always have been. You an absurdly shallow caricature of my views because I'm not in your tribe. Ironically, you are all that you one-line others as.

You may post more of that stuff, Tooth.

About how we are ****ing ourselves.

The guy who quoted Jesus started the religious stuff. But because you're a knee-jerk tribalist rather than a thinker, you blame others.

Tooth excluded me. I'm not in his tribe. That is how he is ****ting you.

Why join an exclusive cult of his assertions as member of a "tribe" of independent interconnected thinkers?

The forum culture here really is fascinating.

ToothSayer, what known/published philosopher (if you had to choose one) comes closest to your own philosophical outlook. If you were to recommend just one book to help me understand what you are saying, which would it be?

What is a "real" religion? Books, commandments, temples and rituals?

Afaik, the only real religion/god is life, love and consciousness; the only temple is all of existance.

My own understanding is that the "enlightened ones" (e.g jesus, buddha, lao tzu, zen-dudes, etc)
are actually against so called "religions", because they blind you from the real thing.

Jesus broke free from the so called religion of "judaism". Of course, the christians then killed jesus by turning him into books, commandments, churches and rituals again, but Jesus is actually the opposite of christianity.
Buddha broke free from the so called religion of "hinduism". Of course, the buddhists then killed buddha by turning him into books, commandments, temples and rituals again, but Buddha is actually the opposite of buddhism.
And so on, with all so-called religions.

The "real religion" is only uncovered when you drop all dogmas, ideologies, thoughts and mental
constructs. When you're mind is completely empty, the truth reveals itself in its utter simplicity.

*** Bukko said:
"Taking things easily and without forcing, after some time the
rush of thought, outward and inward, subsides naturally,
and the Timeless Being is revealed.

Now body and mind, free from all motivations, always
appear as void and absolute sameness, shining like
the brightness of heaven, and needing no repair.
This is beyond all concepts; beyond "being" and "non-being", "yes" and "no", "self" and "no-self",
"form" and "emptiness", "motion" and "stillness".

Leave your innumerable knowings, plans and doings, and go to this One Space.
When you come to that vastness, there is no speck of buddhism in your
heart, and when there is no speck of words and thoughts about you, you
will have the true sight of the Enlightened Ones.

The Original Nature is like the immensity of space which contains
all things, yet clings to nothing.
When you can go and come in all regions equally,
there is nothing specially yours,
when you conform to high and conform to low,
conform to the square and conform to the round, that is It.

The formlessness of the sea allows waves to rise and fall without preference;
the depth of the lowest valley is filled with rain;
the cessation of self-form reveals the True Buddha.
When you empty the Mind of all forms -- thoughts, fears, desires, ego --
things appear as in a mirror, shining there without judgement or limitations.

Birth and death an illusion; the entire universe a dream in the Mind.
Zen is not something mysterious; it is just a piercing through to the Essential Center.
If you drop off all doubts, the curse of birth-and-death is dropped off naturally."