I'm quoting you and taking your words as mine for the future.

Your post is far afield of the point I was trying to make

Please don't. I do not wish to waste any more time on the stupidity you posted.

I am sure many of them have perfectly understandable reasons.

Some.

I do not think its a matter of intelligence. Rather social trends.

Don't know, anyone got a quote?

This. The homophobe might well agree that homosexuals will be allowed marriage in the future, but to him that will be the world taking a turn to the worse, starting to accept disgusting things. The sexists in the beginning of 20th century might well have agreed that women would be allowed to vote, but to them it was allowing silly people with not much clue a chance to mess up decisionmaking. The slavemasters might well have agreed that slavery would be abolished, but to them it was treating with respect lesser beings who do not deserve it and on whom it is wasted on.

Even the few people that realize how utterly arbitrary their (or anyone's) moral values are, and recognise that the world has generally gotten "better", even for them, well, they can just say, this is my arbitrary moral value that I have happened internalised, but well, the fact is I have internalised it, so I will want to preserve it. Even if you admit that you yourself might change... Well, until that change occurs, you still have that old moral value and act accordingly. Though of course realizing the arbitraryness of their moral values and the possibility of change obviously makes them more likely to change, just it doesn't necessarily lead to it.

I for an example realize that in a few hundred or a few thousand years people will become some sort of machines and begin to fill the universe. I realize that these beings will be far superior than me in every respect, and they will rightly look back at people like me and feel we are inferior, as I look back at the people of medieval times or caveman society. However, that does not make the future desirable to me. I have grown up in the world the way it is now and this is the way that makes sense to me. I feel zero connection with the far future, to me it seems a nonsensical meaningless state of world.

I think the people who are acting against the inertia of history do so out of either zealotry or desperation. They fervantly support their interests without wonder of what it will mean in the broader context of history imo. They fight for the status quo that they either can't not believe in, or for their own personal gain imo. Still: hatersgonnahate.jpg

If only we had access to some of the writings from proslavery people in order to read what that mind set expouses....

But summarizing from memory a proslavery stance in the 1850's went something like this:

The abolitionists propose to eliminate the slavery of the negro people in order to impose on them a harsher condition --that of a wage slave. The negro without a white master benevolently providing him with food, shelter and purpose will suffer hunger, homelessness and lack of employ and his children will be chained to a table making widgets for industrialists from dawn to dusk the same way some white children are exploited today.

Just because something is going in a particular direction doesn't mean that it is optimal to get there as fast as possible.

Or at all, for that matter.

Having lived in the South for a time and golfed in Georgia and conversed with some old-timers, I'd say the eventual admission of women to full membership at Augusta is hardly a foregone conclusion. Augusta is like the Vatican of golf. It is a deep seated tradition based on great respect for the game of golf. Women are just not seen as serious lovers of the game.

People don't succeed because they listen to everyone else. They do so, amongst many other reasons, because they have their own game plan, and they stick with it, and are relentless.

Sometimes, they're just wrong.

This is very insightful, imo.

It is also making me reevaluate my theory you are a robot.

Part of me wants to respond like Dominic, but I have trouble finding important logical flaws with these comparisons. Can anyone help?

DS,

These people seem to be in 2 categories
-The ones who don't think in the future those things will change at all.
-Those that do think that but get comfort on the fact the society supports them now and they don't see change anytime soon. Its like the people who buy stocks during a bubble and keep thinking tomorrow is safe. Most people are not that concerned with things that are too far into the future