Har har har, Lucid Dream is a sweat name. I'm gonna watch the whole video. And I want that guy to post the poem he promised earlier. I love love! I'd also like to see Zeno cry.

Love is a choice. It is not a feeling but a behavior. It's a decision to do nice things for someone just for the sake of seeing them happy. All types of love share this definition and anything that doesn't is not love.

A simplified interpretation of OP's Satre paragraph:

Two people start off with a likeable but unrealistic image of each other such as "white knight" and "fashion model". They each would like to think of themselves as the image so they try to conform to it. Over time each realizes they are not able to live up to the two ideals. The "white knight" is not always brave and not always well-mannered and doesn't want to try to live up to those ideals anymore. The "fashion model" is a little too chubby and is sick of dieting and is not that glamorous without lots of preparation. Reality sets in and they can advance to the next stage of the relationship where a deeper love can develop.... or they split.

Feel free to parry-riposte

I love zeno.

Looking back, it seems like I was conflating a few different ideas I've always got kicking around. One has to do with love in relation to epistemology, and the other has to do with "lover and beloved" ideas in mysticism, and they probably both tie together in the Hindu explication of Advaita, hence saying it was sort of RGT fodder.

But with regard to the first, if a great deal of epistemology, especially within a modern western worldview, is concerned with the idea of justification of beliefs by means of (rational) evidence, then a certain philosophy says that love is a different kind of "knowledge", not characterized by the mediation of reason or the senses, but by an ontological union of the lover and beloved. In other words you know the other by being united with the other, and that oneness is "love".

You might relate detachment to this insofar as you say that real union requires a dissolution of "self", which can be at least partially characterized as detachment, because the psychological desires that one is trying to remove are ultimately selfish and reinforce separation, even though they are fervently directed at an other. This seems to be a similar theme as the quote from Sartre in the OP

I got four minutes in, seems like he's just making stuff up. Prob fine but not in the mood, cause I remember this girl I hooked up with in norleans coupe years back and then she joined on of those things and kept posting all those happy pictures on facebook of her stretches and karma. Plus she lives too far away.

Making stuff up is among the finest human traditions imo

Yes, mostly. A behavior makes it seem as tho it's something that requires action and others. You could sit in a cave the rest of your life meditating, having little to no interactions with another person and could feel pure love. It is an experience, your experience. It is your perception of life that is ever changing around you(refer to the 2 examples I posted above).

It is a choice, a choice between love and fear. Love is the absence of fear. Anger, jealousy, sadness, selfishness, etc....these are all emotional states of being that derive from fear based thinking.

When someone does something that makes you angry, do you get angry or do you become anger? Is the anger separate from you in any way? You become it and it overtakes your logical mind and we see people get into arguments, fights, road rage, murder because for a brief moment their state of being became anger and took over their logical intellectual mind. They identified with the emotion they felt and they let that identification change their internal being over an outside circumstance. But other people or changing circumstances can't make us angry just by happening, we choose to let them. Life is always changing, we don't have any control over that....but we determine our state of being, that is the only thing we have control over....and our actions derive from our state of being.

In the same way love is a choice and you choose that state of being. In choosing that you become love and your actions are derived from that state of being. So of course you would...."do nice things for someone just for the sake of seeing them happy" Optimally, when outside circumstances change you don't identify with your emotions, you realize life is change and change is always happening and you choose to be love all the time.

You see stories on the new from time to time like this...

A car drives off bridge into a river and a passerby jumps in to save the person. Everyone calls this person a hero because, logically they look at the situation and know that this man risked his life to save that person and they can't imagine if they were in the same situation they would necessarily do the same. They think about it too much and it seems amazing someone would but they can't see logically how someone would risk their life for someone they don't even know.

They interview the "hero" and ask him if he thinks he's a hero. He inevitably says no and when asked how he did it or why, usually responds he doesn't really know and that it all happened so fast he never really thought about it or the dangers involved, etc...

This is because when we don't identify with our fear, deep down we are love. So in his actions derive from love and he jumps in to save the drowning person. When asked how he did it or why....he never did think about it...he just saw suffering, and life about to come to an abrupt end and jumping in to save them was a derivative of love and compassion for all life.

The ball is so far off the line that not even John McEnroe would rage about it.


I love you too, Btm2.

I made it about 2 minutes. Since I predicted intense nausea by 5 minutes, I went back to surfing porn.

Big Girls Don't Cry, FnD. (also the name of a fabulous song but you probably already knew that)

Love is the feeling you have for a person you've been having sex with, but not for so long that you've become bored with them.

I believe there is a biochemical basis for this.

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Hi Foldndark, if you're refering to my promise to post a poem then I am happy to do so.
However, after reading the 'Message From On High' thread, I am not so sure it's
still appropriate to do so as I don't want to turn this thread into an OOTish style thread.
Need a bit of guidance here if poss pls. Thx.

Don't be a pussy.

Or, do. Whatever. This is a thread on love and it hasn't been zapped, so what's the worst that could happen?

Poetry.com sounds legit. You got street cred, mang! How could it be worse than the guru guy. I want to see Zeno cry!!

I love compelling arguments like this.

Ok, so I dug it out and at the same time stumbled across a couple of others I had forgotton about. They're not too long so please try to stay awake.

Faded Splendour.

Sunset falls across a distant ocean.
A blaze of colour
Rich and heavy.
A thousand scarlett diamonds
In a mirror of deepest blue
Broken only by the winged shadows
That swoop and rise
Through the sun kissed sky.
Their mournful cries
Drifting through the hazy glow
That surrounds me.
But all this pales
The colours fade
The splendour lost
And I see nothing...
Except the beauty of you
Which takes my breath away.

That was the one that was published.

The following two were written a few years later, might still need tweaking.

Lost Without

Something you love
Can make you sad.
Something you love
Can make you bad.
Something you love
Can make you mad.
If something you love
Was all you had.


A Four Letter Word

It's been the cause
Of many wars
It tears the world apart.

It's sold on streets
In every town
By hookers with a heart.

It turns the thoughts
Of many sorts
To bitter twisted hate.

It shatters hearts
Into many parts
And leaves a soulless state.

It showers mates
With countless gifts
And fills the mind with ease.

It cares for children
Round the globe
And lets them dream of peace.

It fills the heart
It fills the mind
Like power from above.

This tiny word
That rules us all
This tiny word called love.

There ya go, my look at love. Hope you enjoy.

Ahhhhhh

Very nice, soft and pretty. <3 I shall roll over and snooze a bit more. To pleasant dreams.

Sounds like a plan to me.

He described Kama. Kama is good.

I see what your saying and I kind of agree with almost all of it. When you say that love is a state of being - being lovely with everyone regardless of their action and what happens - based on the love felling deep inside. This sounds pretty amazing but is it really achievable ? Maybe for Jesus Christ or Siddhartha Gautama. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that this is purely bull****, I truly try to implement that into my life, but it is just not that simple as you make it appear, I guess.

On most cases, I am kind and lovely with anyone I meet, but there is sometimes that random things happens that makes me anger, not the type that is madly out of control, but clearly with some anger thoughts and actions. And I would guess that it is not possible to simply deny 100% of this thoughts/actions regardless of what happens. That is just because **** happens all the time and we simply do not have total control over ourselves and even less over the bad things that could potentially happen with us, making the anger guy rise.

Btw, by a scientific approach, love is nothing else than some biochemical reactions happening over our brains, right ? 100% reasonable and explainable by neuroscience (I am not sure if it is already detailed like this today, but I am pretty confident that if it isn't yet, will be soon).

Btw2, your nick, is it because you had expression experiences with Lucid Dreams ?

Cheers!

I liked it pretty much, its pretty beautiful, congratz!
Nice to see some poetry around a degen gambling forum kkkk

still this imo

Deriving pleasure from another's happiness.

Sadly, most people confuse a desire to possess another with love.