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The Value of a Human life? The Value of a Human life?

10-28-2014 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Robin Agrees
Yeah they did. I was on 12 month course of Prozac?! ( I can't remember the name I think it was Fluoxetine)

Nothing changed. I honestly don't think it is simple as that anyway. They told me it could be years before I see a result. I mean what the **** kind of answer is that!
The "12 month course" thing is what I have been advising all along. It doesn't matter whether it is a lemon a day, or Prozak. Depression is self-limiting. It is hard work being a miserable cuss unless you are gifted at it. Either way, it doesn't pay well other than getting some attentions on the internets from people who generally care about people but don't specifically care about you.
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10-28-2014 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by masque de Z
Consider reading about eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine..
I'll check it out.

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Can you list a number of things you like experiencing, doing, looking forward to?]..
Honestly no. Not a lot.

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For example about the food you said. Can you honestly say that there arent any foods you actually enjoy consuming and having fun in that meal for whatever 10-20-30 min maybe over watching a movie too?
That's not how I see food. Food is an energy for my body. It helps with growth and repair. To provide fats, proteins, vitamins etc.. If I ate out of enjoyment I would stuff chocolate down my face all day long to get "happy" chemicals bouncing about. But then I would be fat.


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? How about any activity that feels satisfying regardless of whether it makes you money or others appreciate it etc. Any topic you like to read that earns your attention? Any games?
I like psychology and philosophy but fail to understand both. Chess and poker.

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Do you find yourself unable to be pleased by simple thing? Is this the problem?
Its a chore and a bore. Most days I can't wait to get back into bed. Take that to its furthest logical conclusion and you see the absurdity of life (in general).

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You just need the right doctors if that is the case to diagnose correctly.
I don't believe it will come from a doctor. I believe that it will have to come from me. Any doctor totally failed to provide a reason for my existence. I felt sorry for them actually cause I destroyed there ability to help me. In seeing they had nothing.

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establish a world system inside that balances things enough to see purpose in living that is not made up or designed to satisfy others etc but objectively improves things you value.
This I am working on.

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Do you get any pleasure when you understand and learn something for the first time and you can use it to then understand something else that was missing before? Do you get pleasure out of small victories like that?
No. Take for example my current job I know a lot about architecture and accomplished many things within the industry. I deal with problems all day long and come up with solutions that are economical and structural sound in exchange for money I only spend on to survive. I find this setup absurd, cause I feel worse for any "victory" I have.

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Without feeling any shame to admit if true do you get pleasure from nasty things or bad things that happen to others whether they "deserve" it or not? How about something else; Do you feel empathy for other people? Do you experience feelings of caring for others? Do you get any pleasure when you help someone without expecting any benefit from it?
I like to see people fail and fall of course I know by saying that I look like a dick. And no I don't get pleasure when helping someone out, I do it out of a sense of duty to others.

People have told me that I have a sick sense of humour. I tell some "horrible" jokes that strike people close to the bone mainly because I find the truth funny and they don't.

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Even at basic level that most people would agree do you get pleasure out of sex, how about when consuming chocolate? Do you get pleasure from sleep when tired?
Yeah I love all 3. Not good at sex or so I'm told I think I know why but that's a whole different story.


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At another level if you took a vacation and went to nice forest in the mountains with great views of eg a lake during winter with snow do you get any pleasure seeing nature even little animals far away from people and noise. Would you get any pleasure some morning after sleeping well and having a good breakfast when you looked outside and the day looked bright with nice clouds after a recent snowstorm? How about if then that same day you saw a bird in the window when there is lots of snow outside that came and stood there and looked at you and wasnt afraid and stayed there by the window for a while cleaning its feathers and playing with snow or if it found nut you left there? You know simple things like that.
I really don't know.
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10-29-2014 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Robin Agrees
That's not how I see food. Food is an energy for my body. It helps with growth and repair. To provide fats, proteins, vitamins etc.. If I ate out of enjoyment I would stuff chocolate down my face all day long to get "happy" chemicals bouncing about. But then I would be fat.
So? What is The Value of a Thin Human Life?

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I like psychology and philosophy but fail to understand both. Chess and poker.
Serious question: Too many shades of grey in psychology and philosophy?

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Most days I can't wait to get back into bed.
Nothing wrong with that.

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I don't believe it will come from a doctor. I believe that it will have to come from me. Any doctor totally failed to provide a reason for my existence. I felt sorry for them actually cause I destroyed there ability to help me. In seeing they had nothing.
Didn't you take a class on how babies are made when you were in school?

Assuming you didn't, the reason you exist is because the stork brought you.
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10-29-2014 , 05:50 AM
I didn't take a class on what I was meant to do in life. I must of missed that one.

Reading this great book called the divided self an existential study into sanity and madness by R. Laing . It is showing me aspects of why I think and behave the way I do. I have a split personality you might call it acute schizophrenia.
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11-05-2014 , 05:04 PM
Do you get out into nature and walk around? Everyone is different but with me personally I am not happy if I don't get at least an hour outside, nature being much better than an urban environment.
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11-05-2014 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by adacan
Do you get out into nature and walk around? Everyone is different but with me personally I am not happy if I don't get at least an hour outside, nature being much better than an urban environment.
I'm the opposite. I think nature's overrated. Love my big city life and love people in general. The closer I am to the city, the closer I am to more people.
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11-05-2014 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
I'm the opposite. I think nature's overrated. Love my big city life and love people in general. The closer I am to the city, the closer I am to more people.
Different strokes for different folk.

If you were a sad sack, I'd recommend you explore the great outdoors. Even if it doesn't help you it benefits others in the same way as recommending a vow of silence does.

(being in bright sunlight and exercising actually does have mental health benefits in real life)
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11-05-2014 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
Different strokes for different folk.

If you were a sad sack, I'd recommend you explore the great outdoors. Even if it doesn't help you it benefits others in the same way as recommending a vow of silence does.
Yea, it's good for de-stimulation. It helps to de-stimulate from time to time. Lowers the threshold for happiness.
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(being in bright sunlight and exercising actually does have mental health benefits in real life)
Living in Melbourne is great for both. I have beach for sun and gym for exercise. The weather here is shocking however, and I doubt they consider that when they vote it the world's most liveable city.
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11-13-2014 , 10:05 PM
Hey Robin,

I have a question for you, are you Christian? I am assuming you are atheist or agnostic but what is interesting about your view on life, mainly that it is a "disease", is that this is a Christian Ideal. Religion loves the idea that life is a disease and there has to be something better out there.

I would personally suggest diving deep into some Nietzsche, he had some interesting ideas as to why life was important and why you should live it to the fullest. I personally have some disagreements with him on some points, after all we are all human. My advice for you Robin would be too read and then think. Then rinse and repeat. Also try to go for a walk everyday and enjoy a little nature, try to enjoy others, make an effort to see some beauty. In the end you will have to find your own way but sometimes reading can help people get there. That being said, I think you may enjoy some Nietzsche.

Cliffs; Read, Think, Rinse&Repeat, Walk everyday, Enjoy Nature, Enjoy Others
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11-14-2014 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by mygameispoker
Hey Robin,

I have a question for you, are you Christian? I am assuming you are atheist or agnostic but what is interesting about your view on life, mainly that it is a "disease", is that this is a Christian Ideal. Religion loves the idea that life is a disease and there has to be something better out there.
Hi mygameispoker,

No I'm not a Christian. I would say I'm closer to being a nihilist. I agree that life is a disease, it clings to you when you don't want it around.

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I would personally suggest diving deep into some Nietzsche, he had some interesting ideas as to why life was important and why you should live it to the fullest. I personally have some disagreements with him on some points, after all we are all human. My advice for you Robin would be too read and then think. Then rinse and repeat. Also try to go for a walk everyday and enjoy a little nature, try to enjoy others, make an effort to see some beauty. In the end you will have to find your own way but sometimes reading can help people get there. That being said, I think you may enjoy some Nietzsche.

Cliffs; Read, Think, Rinse&Repeat, Walk everyday, Enjoy Nature, Enjoy Others
I'm reading up on Hermeticism, astrology and alchemy and have recently bought a tarot deck. Sure I will give Nietzsche another read I have a few of his books on my list to read. Yes I walk often, even play golf (which is like walking only you hit a ball in-between)

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11-14-2014 , 01:19 PM
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have recently bought a tarot deck.
Like your multifacetedness. I tried to get smoke in a glass move just by thinking about it when I was young. Now I'm only thinking: how would it work?
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11-14-2014 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
Living in Melbourne is great for both. I have beach for sun and gym for exercise. The weather here is shocking however, and I doubt they consider that when they vote it the world's most liveable city.
It really is shocking. I've never been as cold at a test match as I was at the MCG and a few days later it was 45 which was not much fun. Rained a lot as well.

Still a damn nice place to live. Dare I say Sydney seemed better or is that fighting talk?
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11-14-2014 , 09:52 PM
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It really is shocking. I've never been as cold at a test match as I was at the MCG and a few days later it was 45 which was not much fun. Rained a lot as well.

Still a damn nice place to live. Dare I say Sydney seemed better or is that fighting talk?
Definitely fighting talk. Sydney has no culture.

But yes, the weather is horrible.
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