This may not be true.

It may be that time travel requires a device to be built that can be travelled back to from the future. You couldn't go back furher than the time that device was built and time travel would only exist from the time it was built. This might be possible but not have happened yet.

But this shows a blatant misunderstanding of the concept of time and the application of time travel.

This was the construct of time travel me and you built when we were children. Then we ran into a paradox when we were older. So we decided the time machine was wrong or time travel-but we never consider our assumptions about time (or the time-traveler) were wrong.


Perhaps our psyche is so far in its infancy that it cannot open itself to the concept yet without getting shattered? Of course this kind of concept of 'evolution' of the psyche uses our old incorrect model of time.

If aliens or time travel appeared instantly could the average person really deal with it? I think if they could things would change.

This can suggest many things but I don't think it 'points' at all to the fact that we cannot do it. Not whatsoever.

I'll bet people used to think you'd travel in time of you sailed off the edge of the world. What actually happened when they did that? Its a wrong construct.

I appreciate relating on the subject but its clear that linear time dissolves when time travel appears, so your answers have to be in terms of a non-linear time.

But if you could go forward and back to the time you invented it you could create and infinite loop of accelerated technological growth.

Almost like genetically modifying our seeds of technology, we harvest in the future and bring it to the present, nourishing it better this time and doing it all again. The seed never stops growing, and we grow it at an accelerate rate, getting all different civilizations in different time to pitch into the technology and knowledge.

I'm pretty sure that growth would invent time travel to a past before we invented the machine

(hey look^ Futurenomics)

Any time travel in the future that involves visiting the "past" would not involve you currently getting to see the older you.

Yet, at the same time, in the future, you would visit the current younger you.

The reason is that time travel will involve a recreation of events, not a revisiting of them.

Yes but maybe not yet

Yes but I'm pretty sure that you may be wrong.

Yes so we have changed our construct of time not to prove we are right or time travel exists, but to show that the paradox doesn't disprove time travel. By using the idea of time travel to reshape our construct of time, I believe we can induct time travel.


Yes of course the former depends on the latter.

So you are pointing to something like a gate, we can travel to the future but only come back to 'gates'.

So can we send back information to the time before gates in order to travel before the time of gates. Or can we advances technology so far that we don't need a gate.

I think if we can prove infinite space/time now then we can prove gates exist in our present time already. We could prob do that with Zeno's paradox no?

Or if we accelerate the gate technology through infinite time travel we will either build time travel that doesn't need gates, or we will come to a type of singularity, or best ever model for gates that still can't pass the threshold of the first gate technology.

If such a singularity exists, a piece of technology so advanced no amount of evolution can surpass it, then maybe we could consider it a nodal point in which we can extrapolate basic gate technology we need to make time travel accessible now.

Also with infinity advanced technology, we can talk about resurrecting peoples souls. Or maybe 'pulling' people into the future?

Futurenomics, we're behind!

If you're spending time and money on research of things based on engines wouldn't it be smarter to spend that time and money inventing engines? Then we'd have the benefit of engines while we worked on the next stuff.

Unless we were talking about a line of technology such as time travel, then it would make sense sacrificing a little time and money vs. present technological advances.

But we have certainly pointed out that capitalism somewhat limits this kind of study.

Also this thread was designed to induct time travel through futurenomics so you can see that the mathematical and quantum physical applications of futurenomics goes beyond simply being ready for future technology...there will be other applications of the science as well.

The idea of futurenomics is eventually we will gain better ability at reverse engineering things that don't exist.

But you have also touched on the ethics of whether or not we should concentrate our technological advances on the now or the future peoples. Morally we should prob be making the future better (the people who are furthest from me and you)...hopefully not worse in the name of the present.

One thing, we are totally able to time travel into the future and its called reembodiment of the spirit. You die, travel through the spiritual world for about 800 years, gaining or melding off new powers and return to the future at the precise time that the earth has changed enough for you to gain more or advanced attributes.

Through your work on earth you are now preparing for your future earthly happenstances which, if there is a great clarity of consideration, one can ascertain his future embodiment.

In the past or marginally in the present there is another aspect of time travel and this was known as "prophesy". The prophets of past ages were able to see the future to some extent which led to many of them given martyrdom or considered mad. This "prophesy" which is in the main that of "inspiration" as known in olden times was that of a higher being entering into the body of the prophet and giving forth that which was to be prophesied.In ancient lore this was known as an Avatar which of course takes on different meaning in our time.

If one is able to see the human being as ensconced within a higher spirituality then it can be considered that the human being is one of many types of beings who do in fact provide for Man's body, soul and spirit. In this the future can be seen, not with great accuracy, as in fact this future is the activity of higher beings who are also developing and therefore one can see somewhat of the structure of futurity.(this doesn't reach it but I'll go on).

This realm to which one can see a higher spiritual world is called clairvoyance and especially trained clairvoyance. the clairvoyance of Joseph, of Hebrew lore, is a telling example.

As far as the past is concerned there is a cosmic memory which one can clairvoyantly search through and ascertain specifics about the past. this type of activity is not as difficult as the future state as the clairvoyant has to strengthen himself ,more to excess, to withstand the knowledge about his or others future state whereas knowledge of the past is a done deal and the emotional impediments are not so great. These emotional impediments can lead to error, great or small. Interestingly, a more exact knowledge of past states of Man is less fraught with difficulties of one enters into a very long eon of time as even his education and personal prejudices can deter him as for example if he were to attempt to "see" the world of Caesar Augustus.

Human beings have this ability to go back in time and it's called "memory" but of course this appears trivial which is really the problem with the intellectualized thinking of our time. there is a cosmic memory and a human memory.

The above may appear banal to many for of course one wants to hear of something scintillating and what could be more scintillating than the Star Trek "beam me up Scotty". This type of travel (physical body not only reinvented but traveling faster than the speed of light) is an intellectualized falsehood and doesn't leave room for truth. A minor complaint about the physics of our universities but it is apropos; the "thought whatevers" in which one imagines oneself traveling at the so called speed of light (186000 miles/second) is an impossibility and has no basis in reality. its a unilateral wet dream and the physicists have bought it hook. line and sinker.

Bringing our thinking into line with the "real" would never consider that play traveling at such a speed is important for our scientific endeavors. It goes right along with Zeno's Paradox which doesn't grab reality but at this glance, Zeno is far, far more advanced than the modern pretenders of physics.( I know, I'm in trouble)

Finis.

This assumes a linear time construct which is a false assumption. That doesn't mean your lore is wrong, perhaps the books you got it from had to explain it that way because its the only way people would get it (not saying you got this from books or whatever I wouldn't know).


But if it involves linear time one will have issues understand what his is ascertaining and how he is to ascertain it.

This is true, now we have to point out how one could fake a prophet in the same way. But something we always miss is that if time travel were made real, we could invent and destory a prophets existence over and over. So he would happen and not happen. The same goes for our own visions or foresight on the future and the past. I think we have to look at possibilities and never conclusion until we finally induct time travel as a whole.

We would certainly have to look at the possibility that all our literature is wrought with hidden time lore messages.

yes and with time travel the definition changes again so does our definition of self and consciousness....because your memories and mind can be changed without you doing anything.

Yes time travel is the obvious bridge to this,

Until we prove time travel whether true or false we are not sure if he is being clairvoyant or if the future is acting upon him. But once we destroy the notion of linear time we will see its obviously both and neither. Universal Truth


Its easy to see emotion block intelligence. But we are taught to be blind to that fact in our schools.


yes going back into false time.

the cosmic is there when the human memory is annihilated.

I think you said encompasing the speed of light with thought should equate to real life. If so its thought that is too limited to trully do so...but non thought can. The ending of time through the ending of thought.
ya i know!

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I also had a buddy remind me that Star Trek is all futurenomics!!! Of course so obv!!

That is a possibility. However, I doubt that there'd be much of a point to it. It would fit into our propensity to build things that no one visits though, like libraries and museums.

Just given the calculations that I am aware of as far as the energy it would take to send an atom or two, along with some engineering problems about not altering what is sent back and forth, I have a feeling we won't get around to it before we go extinct.

Of course, if I am wrong, no big deal. My decisions are pretty much neutral on time travel. For instance, I'm just about to get myself a beer with my current opinion that we will never attain time travel. If it were my opinion that we'll travel in time, I'd have exactly the same beer.

No it doesn't. Your eastern philosophy based notions are interesting, but certainly wrong.

I don't have any particularly strong feelings about time as an actual thing. I just note that sometimes it is breakfast time, sometimes lunchtime and somewhat less rarely, Tuesday afternoon.

Oh, and I ran into the various paradoxes when I was very young. Watched Dr. Who too much.

Or perhaps the concept of "psyche" is just a silly and incorrect way of looking at how people work.

Once you get over your current enjoyment of broadening your intellectual horizons into the problems of western philosophical ideas, you will realize that you are best described by an interaction of atoms and molecules (we call this chemistry) and levers and such (physics) and the luck of what has made more of itself being what is around right now (evolution) and that your concepts of love, friendship, soul, honor, psyche, morality etc. are just silly baubles that muddy the waters of understanding.

In other words, you are incorrect in that you are not going far enough. If you want to go down a path of understanding what is really happening, it is just atoms and molecules interacting in interesting ways.

People are excellent at adapting. It is what we do best. We'd barely have a hiccup in our daily lives if such things happened.

Of course, the people who freak out about everything would continue to freak out about everything, but that doesn't really count as a new problem.

You'd have to explain in detail how it wouldn't be a problem.

I'd bet they thought nothing of the sort. Mostly because I know what they said that they thought, which had nothing to do with time travel.

We've known it isn't linear for over 50 years. We've also proven (mathematically, at least) that time travel of some sort or other is possible.

Aristotle

I was just pointing out the logical possibility.

I suspect the whole concept of time travel is an abuse of concepts. Not so much impossible as meaningless.