Time Travel as a result of Futurenomics - Page 3

joeyrulesall · 08-06-2012, 10:18 AM

Is sillyfull a word?

joeyrulesall · 08-06-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Piers

The problem of course is that most prediction about the future turn out to be wrong, especially in detail which is often what’s most important. Of course in hindsight it is possible to focus only on the predictions that turned out to be correct. So retrospective futurenomics tends to make futurenomics look better than it is.

The problem with stuff like the grandfather paradox is that it is based on the illusion of free will. Say you go back in time, fine, but as the past has already happened you can't change it, you can only do what you have always done. The fact that you think you can change the past by going back in time just indicates that you have been taken in by the illusion of free will. Just because you believe you can change something you did by going back in time does not mean you actually can.

Of course the major hurdle about backwards time travel is defining exactly what it is. What are you, and in what sense do you go back in time. Does the physical material that makes up your body travel back creating some kind of strange loop. Do you suddenly spontaneously nullify while someone who was very similar to you now spontaneously appeared in the past (You can force something like this just by messing with people's minds with no fancy physics.). Or is it some sort of cheat where you end up in a different universe that just looks like ours did in the past.

Holy **** dude. This is crazy

newguy1234 · 08-06-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

Is sillyfull a word?

If time travel exists it is!

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

Holy **** dude. This is crazy

Remember though, the stuff he pointed out isn't crazy, its the real reality!

joeyrulesall · 08-06-2012, 10:36 AM

So if time travel exists then is it used for good or evil?

newguy1234 · 08-06-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

So if time travel exists then is it used for good or evil?

Thats a wrong question from the old paradigm of thinking before time travel existed.

Good and evil are concepts based on linear time (which is a false construct).

But if you are asking if there are time lords messing with our reality, this answer is probably yes.

Or we could say if time travel is accessible, what does that do to events, like 9/11, random face eating events, random mass shooting attacks. And what would we think about random high level mathematicians and philosophers 'going crazy'

joeyrulesall · 08-06-2012, 11:04 AM

So who created time travel? Was it you ? If so why haven't you gone back and stopped me from outing you in this thread ?

newguy1234 · 08-06-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

So who created time travel? Was it you ? If so why haven't you gone back and stopped me from outing you in this thread ?

Stopped you from outting me what? Outing me being the creator?

Time travel was always there, the better question is who taught us all these false beliefs about time?

No one can 'create' it because you could just go back and change it so someone in the past 'created' it. Once its there it was always there. None of this can but discussed or understood with old time constructs.

joeyrulesall · 08-06-2012, 11:12 AM

If this is all true then how did you get plutonium from the Libyans ?

newguy1234 · 08-06-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

If this is all true then how did you get plutonium from the Libyans ?

When/where we're going, we won't need plutonium.

jackaaron2012 · 08-06-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy1234

Not sure if we have this or not but when I was younger I thought of something I called futurenomics where we build sciences on the assumption we will be able to solve a certain problem in the future.

For example, in the past when we hadn't invented engines yet, we could assume we had them, and go on to invent and discuss new things that use engines. Eventually when science invented the engine it would bridge the futurenomics from the past and already be ahead of the curve somewhat.

I think in a lot of peoples minds paradoxes disprove time travel, but I wonder if there can't be a discussion that starts with the assumption of time travel and see what happens when the paradoxes become reality?

I'm under the impression that as you rationalize it, you induct it.

It will become easier to time travel once we have incredible information storage that craps on anything we're able to do now in terms of information storage.

Since information storage keeps getting better and better, it's easier to forsee it continuing on this path, and understand how incredible amounts of information are needed to be stored for time travel.

newguy1234 · 08-06-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jackaaron2012

It will become easier to time travel once we have incredible information storage that craps on anything we're able to do now in terms of information storage.

Since information storage keeps getting better and better, it's easier to forsee it continuing on this path, and understand how incredible amounts of information are needed to be stored for time travel.

Perfect!! then if you agree its possible and inevitable then you agree we don't need that storage because we can get time travel from the 'future'.

Edit: Also I think you'll find the that information storage capacity levels are related to the speed of light, which again shows we have to break false barries of math which through the theories of relatively is just another form of time (or simple physics).

Also we must see that Einsteins theories themselves are relative.

joeyrulesall · 08-06-2012, 03:20 PM

Op you do realize that you cannot have had anything to do with creating time travel because you would have already came back to high five yourself so you might as well quit now.

jewbinson · 08-06-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy1234

Maybe they did when I started this thread though. I'm more talking about how people can't get over the 'killing yourself in the past' paradox.

Actually that the first thing I'm going to do just to mess with people.

You see! Just talking about time travel, brings time travel about!

If we invent time travel in the future, then its here now, its just a matter of admitting it.

Why do you think we were conditioned with so many cool Back to the future movies?

I'm not sure if you're serious and confused or insincere and a bit weird.

newguy1234 · 08-07-2012, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by joeyrulesall

Op you do realize that you cannot have had anything to do with creating time travel because you would have already came back to high five yourself so you might as well quit now.

Ahhhh you are right, I am wrong....oh wait...you are thinking in terms of a linear time construct.....old school, your argument is flawed because it makes an incorrect assumption.

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I'm not sure if you're serious and confused or insincere and a bit weird.

Neither am I but I am positive that the barrier to time travel is in the breaking down of the way we see time. Because I see time differently, I can see it.

No different than the barrier to how our understanding of the earth and our origins was blocked by our old construct of the earth (being flat).

It obvious, if we could time travel, time would no longer be linear...therefore in order to 'invent' time travel we have to assume a non linear construct of time.

This is in the psychological sense first, not the math.

BrianTheMick2 · 08-08-2012, 04:07 AM

Newguy1234, the first thing I do when I invent my time traveling machine is to go back in time and show myself how to build it when I was much younger and could have enjoyed it more.

Since I have not had future me come back to tell me how to build it, I probably have-will not will-have built it.

Maybe future me thinks that I need to be not-young to really enjoy it, but time is a ticking for me to show up and give me my time machine that I'm going to build.

Or, to make it more simple, if we will be able to travel back in time, we'd be able to now.