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Old 05-18-2012, 06:54 PM   #16
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Re: Successful Brain-Robot Interface

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Isn't this just the same old news?
No, but your response is. The history of AI is essentially just an endless string of "Yes, but thats not intelligent, of course a machine can do that. There is no WAY it could do X though, thats what real human intelligence is all about!"

Machine does X.

"Yes, but thats not intelligent, of course a machine can do that..."
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Old 05-19-2012, 06:00 PM   #17
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This is a clear transition. I am very interested in the details of how they interpret the electrical signals , how they understand what the brain's intention is all along. I find that very fascinating.
I think that the fascinating part is that the researchers don't even have to bother about interpreting the electrical signals. The researchers program the arm to move based on whatever electrical pattern they want to, hook it up to the subject's noggin and let the subject figure it out.

In other words, it is job of the subject to figure out which neuron(s) need to fire in order to make the arm do what they want it to... Neuroplasticity for the win!
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Old 05-19-2012, 06:13 PM   #18
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I think that the fascinating part is that the researchers don't even have to bother about interpreting the electrical signals. The researchers program the arm to move based on whatever electrical pattern they want to, hook it up to the subject's noggin and let the subject figure it out.

In other words, it is job of the subject to figure out which neuron(s) need to fire in order to make the arm do what they want it to... Neuroplasticity for the win!
Yes one of the things I think people struggle to grasp is how trivial this is, hook it up and the rest is history.

We will have this short period of time (in historical terms not you and me terms) before it becomes standard but then there will be an explosion. there will be an ethical debate about fitting babies with a port but it wont last long.
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:57 PM   #19
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Yes one of the things I think people struggle to grasp is how trivial this is, hook it up and the rest is history.
Exactly. From my limited understanding of the engineering, the technical details that are a bit difficult involve getting the resolution right.

Plus, human subject research is difficult. Moreso when it involves drilling into noggins.

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We will have this short period of time (in historical terms not you and me terms) before it becomes standard but then there will be an explosion. there will be an ethical debate about fitting babies with a port but it wont last long.
Or something different will happen. People don't always act as one would expect them to and it is possible that some new technology will come along that makes moot any need for direct interface. Corrective dentistry has been around for quite a while, yet hasn't caught on in certain island nations nearly to the extent that one would expect.

I do generally agree that your prediction is the most likely outcome.
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Or something different will happen. People don't always act as one would expect them to and it is possible that some new technology will come along that makes moot any need for direct interface. Corrective dentistry has been around for quite a while, yet hasn't caught on in certain island nations nearly to the extent that one would expect.
There could be some other method that works better like a portable external brainwave detector but it will have to do the same job at least as well.

Some will effectively be all. This is a game changer not ugly americans.
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There could be some other method that works better like a portable external brainwave detector but it will have to do the same job at least as well.
At some point, we'll probably have to figure out how to get the benefits of exercise without moving.

That might be the biggest sticking point.

Anyway, I meant more that we might discover some new technology involving something easier and less invasive than direct interface that works better or is more popular. I particularly enjoy my keyboard, despite the annoying need to have fingers.

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Some will effectively be all. This is a game changer not ugly americans.
Possibly. I do worry a bit that those who are left out will suffer. Not particularly concerned that they will suffer an end if it isn't particularly unpleasant.

I do also worry a bit that those who opt in will suffer. Not particularly concerned that they will suffer an end if it isn't particularly unpleasant.
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At some point, we'll probably have to figure out how to get the benefits of exercise without moving.
Dude, when was the last time you watched a homeshopping channel?
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Old 05-21-2012, 12:41 AM   #23
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At some point, we'll probably have to figure out how to get the benefits of exercise without moving.

That might be the biggest sticking point.
Other way round, the benefits of exercise will die out. Bodies will be so passe.

The portable brainwave detector I mentioned was really an error because the future is bidirectional and I doubt that can be done properly without some connection (though you never know).

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