You need experience with "this" before you can say, "what if it's like this rather than like that". When the student is ready the metaphor will appear.


PairTheBoard

I have a corollary to this that I've heard from somewhere and I think it might be true. It's regarding the range of intelligence or subject matter knowledge that is required to gaslight yourself into delusion or wishful thinking.

Basically, below average intelligence people (say IQ <95, just making up numbers here) or people who have absolutely zero knowledge about a particular subject matter do not really have the capacity or knowledge to view things in anything other than terms of objective reality. Abstract thought or trying to perceive outcomes in any other manner than objective reality is too difficult due to either lack of intelligence to do so, or lack of subject matter knowledge to be delusional.

Then you have the middling and above average people (say IQ>95 and <120) or people who have just some cursory to mid-level knowledge of the subject matter at hand, who are smart enough or knowledgeable enough to get themselves into trouble with delusions or subjective reality. These types tend to come off as insecure and needing to prove that they're intelligent or knowledgeable of a particular subject, and then gaslight themselves into viewing things from a subjective reality or how they want things to be.

Then on the other end (IQ >120 or subject matter experts), independent thought or actual subject matter expertise kicks in again, and observable facts and evidence influence thought, thereby forcing reality to be objective again.

Which is why you find that a lot of the middling types are stunned when the Supreme Court granted cert and unequivocally reversed most aspects of the injunction in the interim.

'Anybody can be dumb but only a very intelligent person can be truly stupid.'

_Me.

Next time you are in town, we are going out for micheladas.

They ruled on a small part of the executive order. Much of interpreting the constitution (and the Supreme Court's opinions) is like trying to predict the Roman Catholic Church from the New Testament. They are almost completely independent things.

What it really comes down to is completely ignoring the Constitution (it is largely irrelevant) and paying attention to what team the members of the Supreme Court are on.

Smart people who don't have requisite subject matter knowledge are the worst since they tend to be very good at constructing rational arguments that have no relationship to reality.

Edit: Average people are intelligent enough to understand most things with sufficient training/experience. They just mostly don't understand much for reasons that have nothing to do with intelligence.

[QUOTE=Zeno;52435943..........snip...........blah blah.

Thus making them so morally superior that it elevates them to the throne of godhead, and the ability to dictate to all others by fiat their own commandments. Mt. Sinai, again...blah...blah .......snip.......[/QUOTE]


I'm a prophet:man-arrested-for-smashing-ten-commandments-monument-at-arkansas-capitol

From above link:

A newly installed Ten Commandments monument on Arkansas state Capitol grounds was toppled on Wednesday, with police saying they have arrested a man they suspect of driving his vehicle into the granite slab.

"It was shattered into a lot of pieces," Chris Powell, a spokesman for the Secretary of State and Capitol Police, said in an interview.

No motive has been released for destroying the monument installed on Tuesday, Powell said. The suspect, identified as Michael Reed, faces three charges, including felony defacing an object of public interest.

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Up next: The Burning Bush.

How is the vehicle?

I suppose Michael Reed himself is alright?

That stone could be dangerous.

Thou shalt no driveth inon teen commandemenths.

I would love this on my police record.

I can't say for certain, but given the choice of aiming for or against the ten commandments statue on the 'state grounds', I'm likely for aiming at it abstractly literal as it actually happened shattered.

The big new feature of the new iPhone coming out this fall is facial recognition software. Also, AI generated mostly likely to work come on lines.


PairTheBoard

This seems very unworthy of its own thread...

Do smart people reject most of the DSM as "psychobabble" as a rule?

Analysis:

There is a man behind a curtain that for unknown reasons exists and it is hoped to guess what he's all about. A contestant is given the option of 2 clues:
science, remedial English. (Obviously one is expected to be more useful.)

Science - The man is a narcissist.
RE - The man is a selfish jerk.

It seems this is enough to prove that field of study is at least partially bogus due to the common descriptors being more useful.

Tuma,
Definitely very worthy of its own thread. It's a huge discussion.

My answer: Yes, smart people mostly reject the DSM as psychobabble. There are really only two disorders: schizophrenia and mood disorders (depression/bipolar). The rest are various types of maladaptive coping mechanisms plus some rare physical organic brain problems like head trauma and epilepsy. The only major category in which drug intervention is warranted/in in the patient's interest is perhaps schizophrenia. And even that is questionable.

Psychiatry as it is today is a huge pile of anti-scientific garbage. As are the psychiatric drugs.

The DSM and psychological/psychiatric training is closer to cult writings/training than it is to medicine or science. You learn a bunch of key narratives and key categories and key treatments that have no relationship to reality and no efficacy. In that way, psychiatry with its disorders and narratives about their causes and psychiatric drugs, and Scientology with its engrams and thetans and "clearing", are pretty damn similar.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunnin...3Kruger_effect

Morishta is claiming the opposite. How reliable and replicated is the Dunning-Kruger effect? Is seems to be mostly unreplicated, and even contradicted, by later research. From your link:
I'd say it one of those bull**** memes from bad science, that sounds good but is ultimately false, like most scientific results. Ironically, most of the people who use the term "Dunning-Kruger Effect" (not you) are suffering from it themselves - they fit in Morishta's category, slightly smart but not smart enough to analyze things properly.

It is endemic to being human. Fairly strong and consistent results. I'm (dunning-kruger confident) that it is a too simplistic model. I'm quite sure it explains my confidence on some things quite well.

Even when you just deal with the smart people.

It isn't useful for fortune telling in the markets, unfortunately. It only means that people are over-confident in their predictions.

So, there are no specific deficits. You seem quite confident about this, despite lack of relevant knowledge.

My zipper is doing its best to ruin my night. **** you zipper.

Re

related to my good idea, I should maybe sober up for a second? It seems outrageous as a concept.

if my idea is good, clearly it is worth having a drink or two in its general direction. a toast

Zipper

From above link:

A zipper, zip, fly, or zip fastener, formerly known as a clasp locker, is a commonly used device for binding the edges of an opening of fabric or other flexible material, like on a garment or a bag. It is used in clothing (e.g., jackets and jeans), luggage and other bags, sporting goods, camping gear (e.g. tents and sleeping bags), and other items. Whitcomb L. Judson was an American inventor from Chicago who invented and constructed a workable zipper. The method, still in use today, is based on interlocking teeth. Initially, it was called the “hookless fastener” and was later redesigned to become more reliable.

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It is best to only drink just enough, then stop - going in reverse "sobering up some" just never really cuts the zipper properly. If you know what I mean and I'm sure you do. Unless you drank too much and are now trying to sober up. Which makes me ask why is it sober up and not sober down?

What am I to make of 'Islam for Dummies' being written by a non-Muslim?

It doesn't matter Howard, the entire religion of Islam is a stinking pile of camel ****.

Tomorrow is July 4. A big celebration in American, land of the free and home of the brave. In remembrance there a few facts to honor:

1. **** England and the English. They are vile scum that are perpetually caught in the Middle Ages and can't extract themselves.

2. **** the King/Queen of England. An intergral part of a family of sick and demented, and brain dead, and interbreed aristocratic families that still think they own Europe if not the world.

3. USA #1 - Beer, BBQ, corn on the cob, and watermelon tomorrow, and Fireworks in celebration of telling the Old World to kiss our ass.

4. **** the Irish, just because it feels so good to say.

5. **** Asia.

6. **** Africa

7. **** Onion-domed drunken Russians and their stupid and pathetic language and fanciful script.

8. Bomb South American.

9. Nuke North Korean

10.

I'll read it anyway, just seems strange.